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Post by jamesjazzguitar on Mar 13, 2023 23:33:44 GMT
How can you not define what you imply TCM may be doing as not being a conspiracy? I.e., two or more people knowingly taking actions to deceive others. 1) TCM knows they are leasing edited films. 2) TCM continues to state their corporate policy: that they don't show films edited for content. 3) TCM shows these edited films, hosts have been told to not discuss the topic, and TCM even has the gall to show their no-cut promo after doing so. If the above is true, I find it hard to believe that this is all driven by a single rouge programmer: I.e. more people, especially some of the hosts, would have to be knowledgeable about what was happening and that would make it a conspiracy to deceive TCM viewers in order to appease PC\cancel culture nut jobs. Ok, now I understand you. My point is that you implied TCM had an internal conspiracy, I.e., one between management, host, and programmers, and not one with any other companies or activist groups. Of course, TCM wants points (respect), for bucking, what I find to be, silly and misguided, PC activist, by showing unedited films. Clearly TCM failed at this with the French Connection, but, unlike you, I don't believe TCM does this knowingly. (And note as it relates to Dozen, TCM showed the unedited version where a white person, does use the "n" word). Thus, IMO TCM is taking the right action; Note I don't call it bold, because doing so would play into the hands of those silly, misguided, PC activist. I.e., it is NOT bold to show unedited film with content like the "n" word etc... Not bold at all, but instead just the right thing to do. (But TCM's promo does imply they are being bold, which could be viewed as appeasement to the PC activist). Note that Jacqueline Stewart, Director of the Academy Museum of Motion Pictures, is featured on the TCM promo, clearly explaining why TCM should show films unedited. I believe you distrust her motives and believe she is being a phony. The L.A. Times covers her often and she has explained she gets a lot of push-back from the African American community for her stance with TCM. But I assume you believe that is mostly just an act. I.e., Stewart really wishes TCM wouldn't show any films with the "n" word, or Birth of a Nation, etc. |
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Post by Lucky Dan on Mar 14, 2023 0:19:50 GMT
TCM is a single entity and therefore cannot conspire with itself. I normally enjoy discussing words and meanings and etymology but in this case it would miss my larger point. Call it a conspiracy if you prefer but my point is TCM, as a corporate entity, wants points for being bold ("We aired the N word in Dozen!") without taking a bold action, which airing the N word from the mouth of a white cop might be. Ok, now I understand you. My point is that you implied TCM had an internal conspiracy, I.e., one between management, host, and programmers, and not one with any other companies or activist groups. Of course, TCM wants points (respect), for bucking, what I find to be, silly and misguided, PC activist, by showing unedited films. Clearly TCM failed at this with the French Connection, but, unlike you, I don't believe TCM does this knowingly. (And note as it relates to Dozen, TCM showed the unedited version where a white person, does use the "n" word). Thus, IMO TCM is taking the right action; Note I don't call it bold, because doing so would play into the hands of those silly, misguided, PC activist. I.e., it is NOT bold to show unedited film with content like the "n" word etc... Not bold at all, but instead just the right thing to do. (But TCM's promo does imply they are being bold, which could be viewed as appeasement to the PC activist). Note that Jacqueline Stewart, Director of the Academy Museum of Motion Pictures, is featured on the TCM promo, clearly explaining why TCM should show films unedited. I believe you distrust her motives and believe she is being a phony. The L.A. Times covers her often and she has explained she gets a lot of push-back from the African American community for her stance with TCM. But I assume you believe that is mostly just an act. I.e., Stewart really wishes TCM wouldn't show any films with the "n" word, or Birth of a Nation, etc. I'd really prefer you didn't assume what I do and don't believe. I try to write clearly and concisely. I believe I have here. But alright, if they aired the N word from a white character, my theory is shot down. |
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Post by sepiatone on Mar 14, 2023 15:59:59 GMT
But then again..... Last night's broadcast of THE STING('73) did have a part(or two) where a white character made reference to the character Luther as, "a n**ger grifter..." so my complaint seems to be moot at this point. And when watching THE STING, it became clear where "Lucky Dan" may have gotten his screen name, as the horse Doyle Lonnegan(Robert Shaw) was told to bet on for the big "sting" was named Lucky Dan.  Sepiatone |
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Post by cmovieviewer on Mar 15, 2023 5:48:57 GMT
I watched some of The French Connection on the Movies! TV channel today. It is interesting that in this over-the-air version the entire movie is shown, but whenever expletives are said the audio is briefly dropped out so they cannot be heard.
I think I would have preferred it if the version shown on TCM would have been treated the same - instead of cutting out most of the scene in the station house with the N-word Fox/Disney could have just silenced the one word. Of course, then it would be obvious to everyone that the movie had been slightly altered, but at least the full scene could have been shown. (I do agree that TCM should be showing the complete original version.)
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Post by sepiatone on Mar 15, 2023 16:07:54 GMT
I saw that Movies! broadcast too. I have no issue with expletives being muted in spite of my feeling the motive is archaic. But TCM did keep the expletives intact, just not the one slur. And it still makes me wonder why Fox/Disney felt it necessary to excise the few seconds of footage where an African-American slur was spoken, but not doing the same where a Puerto Rican slur was used. To me it comes off more as phony sincerity than actual diverse acceptance.
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Post by jamesjazzguitar on Mar 15, 2023 16:40:25 GMT
I saw that Movies! broadcast too. I have no issue with expletives being muted in spite of my feeling the motive is archaic. But TCM did keep the expletives intact, just not the one slur. And it still makes me wonder why Fox/Disney felt it necessary to excise the few seconds of footage where an African-American slur was spoken, but not doing the same where a Puerto Rican slur was used. To me it comes off more as phony sincerity than actual diverse acceptance. Sepiatone Fox/Disney does come off as phony with their entire PC movement, with their latest stunt being a zippy do da! I wonder if Disney's battle with the Florida Governor is causing Disney to go off the rails. Both wish to control speech\content and appear to be trying to outdo each other in this regard. |
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Post by jamesjazzguitar on Mar 15, 2023 16:50:19 GMT
I watched some of The French Connection on the Movies! TV channel today. It is interesting that in this over-the-air version the entire movie is shown, but whenever expletives are said the audio is briefly dropped out so they cannot be heard. I think I would have preferred it if the version shown on TCM would have been treated the same - instead of cutting out most of the scene in the station house with the N-word Fox/Disney could have just silenced the one word. Of course, then it would be obvious to everyone that the movie had been slightly altered, but at least the full scene could have been shown. (I do agree that TCM should be showing the complete original version.) Well now we have 3 different choices TCM could make: 1) Only show unedited film; if TCM can't obtain one, don't show it. 2) Show edited films with a scene (or part of one) completely edited out. 3) Show films but with content "suppressed" (e.g., audio replaced with silence). The above is the order of my preference. I really don't like the "suppressed" content option. If it is a film, I'm not really familiar with, I would likely not notice that a scene (or part of one) was cut. The "suppressed" content option is really noticeable and would make me wonder why I am watching this film on TCM! I.e., gives me an over-the-air broadcast vibe and remind me I'm watching a censored film. If I'm really familiar with the original version of a film, I don't wish to see it unless it is 100% intact. |
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Post by cmovieviewer on Mar 15, 2023 17:53:30 GMT
I wasn't very clear in what I was saying, but I suppose there is a 3b) option - for cable channels, fox/disney could provide the full version with the audio suppressed for only one word during the entire movie.
The audio in the Movies! version does get pretty choppy when the expletives are flying. I was surprised that apparently the 'a**' word is ok, as in "move your a**"
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Post by sepiatone on Mar 16, 2023 15:03:37 GMT
Y'know, as an adult, and one who considers myself open minded I do get tired of the "freakin's", "shoots" aimed at "protecting" our kids who by second grade probably use much worse language and can easily see through the network's ruse. Most of those kids also probably hear much worse in the home whenever Mom or dad have a "disagreement" or while Dad is kicking in the TV screen when the set goes on the "fritz". Sepiatone |
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Post by jamesjazzguitar on Mar 16, 2023 15:20:20 GMT
Y'know, as an adult, and one who considers myself open minded I do get tired of the "freakin's", "shoots" aimed at "protecting" our kids who by second grade probably use much worse language and can easily see through the network's ruse. Most of those kids also probably hear much worse in the home whenever Mom or dad have a "disagreement" or while Dad is kicking in the TV screen when the set goes on the "fritz". Sepiatone You're not the parents of these kids so your opinion is meaningless. |
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Post by sepiatone on Mar 16, 2023 15:34:12 GMT
Who's opining? Just stating what I know to be true in most cases.
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Post by jamesjazzguitar on Mar 16, 2023 16:48:13 GMT
Who's opining? Just stating what I know to be true in most cases. Sepiatone I should have used a wink emoji. You can mock slap me since, unlike some others, I have a scene of humor. (And so do you which is a necessary trait at a public forum). |
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Post by sepiatone on Mar 17, 2023 15:47:38 GMT
Who's opining? Just stating what I know to be true in most cases. Sepiatone I should have used a wink emoji. You can mock slap me since, unlike some others, I have a scene of humor. (And so do you which is a necessary trait at a public forum). But, if I "mock" slap you, Lawrence( ) might insist I go to a "mock" counselor to get some "mock" therapy.  Sepiatone |
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