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Post by cmovieviewer on Mar 11, 2023 20:28:32 GMT
I wish I could easily go back to the TCM message board to check, but I think the edit to The French Connection might have first been noticed when it was shown in November 2021 as part of a 2-film tribute to director William Friedkin (To Live and Die in L.A. was also shown). Ben actually interviewed William Friedkin via a zoom call for the introductions. (No mention of the change was made that evening.) If asked, I wonder what William Friedkin would say about the edit?
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Post by kims on Mar 11, 2023 21:19:45 GMT
I think TCM could work towards a documentary about edited films, pre-code releases, separate versions for airlines and about who owns the copyright what rights the leaseholder has. Educate us TCM.
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Post by jamesjazzguitar on Mar 11, 2023 22:36:21 GMT
I think TCM could work towards a documentary about edited films, pre-code releases, separate versions for airlines and about who owns the copyright what rights the leaseholder has. Educate us TCM. That would be a very interesting documentary. I have seen TCM cover the topic but only for a few select films: E.g. The Big Sleep and the original release to the troops in Europe 1945 version and the released in the USA 1946 version. TCM showed both versions one-after-the-other with commentary about the differences. E.g. two different actresses playing Mrs. Mars. |
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Post by Lucky Dan on Mar 11, 2023 23:01:15 GMT
I think TCM could work towards a documentary about edited films, pre-code releases, separate versions for airlines and about who owns the copyright what rights the leaseholder has. Educate us TCM. That would be a very interesting documentary. |
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Post by kims on Mar 12, 2023 1:54:54 GMT
What I meant was how many versions of a film are there? OKLAHOMA has wide screen and Cinerama (Have I got the formats right?) In the National film registry, if a film like the GODFATHER is on the list, is it the original or director's cut? I'd like to know who gets to edit. For instance, every Easter ABC shows THE TEN COMMANDMENTS. I believe they own the rights. Does owning the rights allow them to cut the DeMille intro every year? Associate Producer Henry Wilcoxon said the scene where Ramses told Nefertiri that he would love her more than his falcon and horse, but trust her less, was always cut for TV for years. I'm curious if I buy the rights to a film, do I get to edit it as I see fit? Almost seems like there is some danger in losing films as originally released. Who owns the negative?
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Post by yanceycravat on Mar 12, 2023 2:04:03 GMT
That would be a very interesting documentary. |
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Post by Lucky Dan on Mar 12, 2023 4:18:13 GMT
Paste this into your Google search bar and see if you get any returns that help:
can broadcasters edit movies on tv
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Post by I Love Melvin on Mar 12, 2023 13:28:21 GMT
Right now it seems like the only cuts TCM thinks about are to staffing, their Message Boards, etc. etc. They've probably intentionally cut themselves off from this kind of feedback from their viewers, knowing that they don't want to face questions about their original mission statement while they're in cut-back mode. The kind of oversight we're talking about would surely require additional staffing and that doesn't seem to be the direction in which they're headed. I have a feeling we won't be seeing a lot of original programming the way we used to. They still show some interesting stuff, like the recent Automat documentary, which they can tie into their programming, but that wasn't in-house and was doubtfully an indicator of anything original coming from the network.
Words getting bleeped I don't like but I can handle because I grew up with that. I can roll my eyes and keep watching if I have to. But when parts of the scene around the word are cut too, like sepia said, someone's created a real problem. There's a scene in The Owl and the Pussycat where Streisand and George Segal are harassed by some guys in a car. Streisand walks up to the car and delivers an fu, after which the guys jump out and pursue them. In some prints the whole part where she went up to the car was cut, so it wasn't clear why the guys were so mad. Stupid.
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Post by sepiatone on Mar 12, 2023 15:19:08 GMT
So in that case James, it puzzles me as to why IFC once showed the movie without that scene cut from it. And too....
If the word "n**ger was cut from the TCM version for reasons of "racial sensitivity", then why was Popeye clearly heard later on to call a bunch of kids, "Nothing but a bunch of sp*ck car theives."?
Is TCM making the case that it's OK to marginalize Puerto Ricans, but not African-Americans?
Sepiatone
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Post by jamesjazzguitar on Mar 12, 2023 18:48:03 GMT
So in that case James, it puzzles me as to why IFC once showed the movie without that scene cut from it. And too.... If the word "n**ger was cut from the TCM version for reasons of "racial sensitivity", then why was Popeye clearly heard later on to call a bunch of kids, "Nothing but a bunch of sp*ck car theives."? Is TCM making the case that it's OK to marginalize Puerto Ricans, but not African-Americans? Sepiatone There is no such thing or concept as "the TCM version". As cmovieviewer implied, the version TCM leased was likely the safe-for-over-the-air broadcast version. Your point about "is TCM making the case" continues to imply TCM is somehow involved in the creation of this safe-for-over-the-air broadcast version or any version. Again, TCM fault here is not insisting that Disney\Fox lease to TCM the unedited version and if Disney refused (since they only wish to lease the edited version), TCM should have not shown the film, period, or mentioned they were showing an edited version. |
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Post by cmovieviewer on Mar 12, 2023 20:13:45 GMT
Unfortunately the version that Disney is providing is not easily identified as the cleaned-up over-the-air version, since the F-word and other expletives are still present. So the N-word scene has been excised from the version that Disney provides to cable channels that can show R-rated movies. Someone at Fox/Disney has made the decision that the N-word is toxic above all others. Based on the history, I think the change may have started showing up in 2021. So if it was shown prior to that on IFC or other cable channels, the scene might have still been present. (I can’t be certain of exactly when the change was made.) According to blu-ray.com, the last blu-ray version of The French Connection (with the scene) was issued on Sep. 9, 2014.
The French Connection is scheduled to be shown Tuesday at 3:05 PM Eastern time on the Movies! TV channel. I assume this will be the completely sanitized version.
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Post by BingFan on Mar 12, 2023 22:36:29 GMT
TCM just showed The Dirty Dozen, which contains the same offensive word that we’ve been discussing from The French Connection. The word wasn’t cut, nor did Alicia Malone have any disclaimer about offensive language in her intro or outro. This suggests that TCM isn’t looking for ways to avoid showing otherwise worthwhile movies with offensive language.
Perhaps not by coincidence, however, TCM showed its explanatory featurette about movies with offensive content right after The Dirty Dozen. That movie wasn’t one of the examples used in the featurette, which re-stated TCM’s commitment to showing uncut movies. They note in the featurette that they’ll sometimes, but not always, provide context for offensive content in their intros and outros.
At a minimum, this suggests that TCM needs to do better in enforcing their active policy, given the edited movies they’ve apparently shown recently.
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Post by jamesjazzguitar on Mar 12, 2023 23:18:36 GMT
At a minimum, this suggests that TCM needs to do better in enforcing their active policy, given the edited movies they’ve apparently shown recently. Is it your POV that if TCM can't lease an unedited version of a film, TCM shouldn't show the film, period, since that would violate their active policy? My assumption is that TCM's programmer were clueless in this case, I.e., they weren't aware what version they had leased. If that assumption is correct, in the future TCM's programmers have to be on-the-ball with regards to what version they have leased: TCM can't enforce any policy if they don't know what version they have leased (or if the unedited one is even available). TCM's programmers being clueless is where my disappointment with TCM starts and ends (since I don't believe TCM is trying to pull-a-fast-one by stating they have a policy when they really don't). |
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Post by BingFan on Mar 13, 2023 0:21:00 GMT
At a minimum, this suggests that TCM needs to do better in enforcing their active policy, given the edited movies they’ve apparently shown recently. Is it your POV that if TCM can't lease an unedited version of a film, TCM shouldn't show the film, period, since that would violate their active policy? My assumption is that TCM's programmer were clueless in this case, I.e., they weren't aware what version they had leased. If that assumption is correct, in the future TCM's programmers have to be on-the-ball with regards to what version they have leased: TCM can't enforce any policy if they don't know what version they have leased (or if the unedited one is even available). TCM's programmers being clueless is where my disappointment with TCM starts and ends (since I don't believe TCM is trying to pull-a-fast-one by stating they have a policy when they really don't).
But I think you’re probably right that in this case, they were probably unaware of the cuts to The French Connection. That would be my guess, too. |
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Post by Lucky Dan on Mar 13, 2023 0:56:54 GMT
Is it your POV that if TCM can't lease an unedited version of a film, TCM shouldn't show the film, period, since that would violate their active policy?
Corporate America doesn't have it. Never has. Cept for Netflix. And the people who carry Joe Rogan. |
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