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Post by I Love Melvin on Feb 8, 2024 0:24:27 GMT
I'm going to reboot kim's post from the "Female Impersonation" thread because it's such a great starting point for a new thread about drag as it has appeared in movies over the years. It could be a lot of fun, though I'm not ruling out discussions about its not-so-fun usages too, and there have neem a number of them. Anyway, kim's post referenced this scene which appeared in The Magic Christian (1969), with an unidentified actor serenading Roman Polanski. As she said, it's a puzzler if you haven't seen it, and even when you have.
Drag was used to different effect in different movies, sometimes meant to be a complete illusion and sometimes used for a comic effect which could easily be seen through by the audience, though not by anyone onscreen apparently, as in this extended sequence from High Time (1960). This movie was done by Bing Crosby's production company as part of a two-picture deal with Twentieth Century-Fox and featured him as a restaurant tycoon who went to college in his fifties after his kids were adults. As part of a fraternity initiation with his roommates Fabian and Richard Beymer he has to crash a fancy cotillion and get a retired colonel with gout to dance with him and sign his dance card. Easy-peasy. It's good silly fun, with the illusion that Crosby is a Southern belle tenuous enough so that it can be mined for laughs.
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Post by kims on Feb 8, 2024 2:52:01 GMT
Thanks for posting "Mad About the Boy" Melvin. I know who it is, and still I study the face trying to reconcile it really is him. There's a moment when Roman looks like he is going to start laughing. When you look at Bing, you may not instantly realize who it is, but once you know you can see Bing.
The most famous drag on film is probably Curtis and Lemmon in SOME LIKE IT HOT?
This is a fun thread. I'll have to start thinking of others! Oh, Oh, just thought of a good one: Gene Hackman in THE BIRDCAGE-he is glorious!
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Post by I Love Melvin on Feb 8, 2024 13:24:11 GMT
Thanks for posting "Mad About the Boy" Melvin. I know who it is, and still I study the face trying to reconcile it really is him. There's a moment when Roman looks like he is going to start laughing. When you look at Bing, you may not instantly realize who it is, but once you know you can see Bing. The most famous drag on film is probably Curtis and Lemmon in SOME LIKE IT HOT? This is a fun thread. I'll have to start thinking of others! Oh, Oh, just thought of a good one: Gene Hackman in THE BIRDCAGE-he is glorious! I'm so glad you mentioned Gene Hackman. He is glorious and I laugh every time he worries that the white dress makes him look fat. He goes from totally shaken to really into it and so does Diane Wiest. The Elaine May script and Mike Nichols' direction make this movie a real gem. For anyone who hasn't seen it...First of all, what's the matter with you?...he played a conservative politician who gets holed up in a drag club owned by his daughter's fiance's parents, Robin Williams and Nathan Lane, and they have to sneak him out past the waiting press and camera crews. Gene comes in at the 1:40 point. Some Like It Hot (1959) is probably the gold standard for big stars doing drag. Even though it's a comedy and not entirely bound by the rules of realism, the movie depends on Tony Curtis and Jack Lemmon being able to plausibly get away with it and they both pull it off really well. From what I understand, Tony's voice as Josephine was ultimately dubbed, but the illusion is well sustained and some fun moments come in private between the two when the voices revert as they bicker about their predicament. I don't mean to slight Tony, but my favorite scene in the movie is when Jack as Daphne first meets the rich playboy played by the hilarious Joe E. Brown. The introduction of the two men in drag is priceless, so we get to see Tony in action here too. Some Like It Hot was originally scheduled to be filmed in color because Marilyn had it in her contract that she would only do color films, but some initial tests of the guys showed that it would be much more difficult to maintain a credible illusion that the guys were girls in color. Marilyn ultimately agreed and, personally, I think the black and white makes sense on other levels, making it seem more appropriate to the period of the 1920's. As an interesting side note, Jack appeared in his Some Like It Hot drag in the all-star Columbia movie Pepe (1960) for a comedy bit with Cantinflas, so we get to see what the effect would have been in color. The look isn't entirely disastrous, but I'm still glad they went for black and white for SLIH. Jack comes in at 2:30.
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Post by I Love Melvin on Feb 8, 2024 22:58:19 GMT
Continuing with the big-stars-in-drag theme, here's George Sanders in John Huston's The Kremlin Letter (1970), playing a member of a group of intelligence operatives (his code name: Warlock) recruited to intercept a fake document which could influence international alliances. It's a complicated plot which involves foreign locales, but Sanders' role begins when he's tapped for the job while at work in a San Francisco bar/lounge. Lookin' good as a blonde, George.
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Post by kims on Feb 9, 2024 0:28:16 GMT
I've added THE KREMLIN LETTER to my watch list. Saunders is looking good, but wasn't he tall? making it more difficult to pass as a woman.
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Post by I Love Melvin on Feb 9, 2024 13:58:03 GMT
I've added THE KREMLIN LETTER to my watch list. Saunders is looking good, but wasn't he tall? making it more difficult to pass as a woman. I couldn't find the exact stats height-wise, but he does seem very tall in comparison to other actors. I'm probably going to be getting in over my head here, but I don't think the objective of drag is always to pass as a woman. It can also just be a matter of "letting your hair down" and having a little fun and everyone's comfort level as to what that would entail can be different. Or, in movies, it could be a means to an end, such as in Some Like it Hot. In this case George was playing piano in a gay bar, so his character was probably meeting some kind of expectation from his audience as well as "doing his own thing". In that era I think the objective of drag may have focused more on the exact replication of a feminine look than it does today, when whimsy and excess are more the order of the day, so that nobody in their right mind would actually confuse some drag queens with a woman, though the "pageant queen" strain of drag is still very strong, from what I understand. Drag is much more ubiquitous today too. In the case of the mysterious man in The Magic Christian and of George's appearance in this movie, I think drag was used somewhat to shock and titillate because it was so out of step with societal norms, whereas today, unless you're extremely myopic, you see drag often enough to soften any shock value it may once have had. And did you notice that as soon as he got back to the dressing room and took off the wig, out came a cigar, that universal signifier of masculinity? Even movies that dared to feature men in drag sometimes felt the need to reassure the audience that all was not lost and that a man is still a man. It reminded me of the character which actor Paul Gilbert played in the Carroll Baker movie Sylvia (1965), Lola Diamond, the cross-dressing owner of a club which fronted an escort service. After he finished singing his number, out came the cigar, again seeming to reassure audiences that the lines between male and female couldn't (and shouldn't?) be obliterated. (I couldn't locate any footage, so I'll try to squeak by with this image without getting busted.)
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Post by I Love Melvin on Feb 9, 2024 14:28:11 GMT
In the "drag as a means to an end" category, let's add this dumbass "teen musical" rip-off of Some Like It Hot from the American-International, Ski Party (1965), in which Frankie Avalon and Dwayne Hickman hatch a plot to learn how to ski by joining a group of female beginners so that they can best a showoffy male skier who's been tormenting them at a ski lodge. Makes sense, right? They resort to ridiculous falsetto voices which would normally fool nobody, but this is American-International, where people like Harvey Lembeck as Eric Von Zipper are the baseline for normalcy. This clip details their brilliant scheme and "the girls", Jane and Nora, come in at about 2:45.
As per the formula "borrowed" from Some Like It Hot, one of them falls for a woman (Deborah Walley) and the other is pursued by an ardent man a-la Joe E. Brown, leading to all sorts of hilarious (?) complications. Feel free to fast forward; the action starts at about 1:30.
There's even a pillow fight scene which I guess is meant to replicate the famous scene with Jack Lemmon and all the women in the upper berth, though, as expected, this has nowhere near the same impact or comic payoff. As usual with these movies, a little goes a long way so, with these scenes under your belt maybe you can just avoid the whole thing if you ever run across it. P.S. Doesn't Dwayne Hickman look a little like Cindy Williams? LATER EDIT: I want to revise the recommendation to skip this movie because there are some fun musical numbers by The Hondells, Leslie Gore and especially James Brown and the Famous Flames (in ski sweaters!).
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Post by kims on Feb 9, 2024 14:40:03 GMT
Re: George Saunders, Melvin. I made an assumption-always tricky- because of THE KREMLIN LETTER plot, he was trying to pass as a woman.
Does Anthony Perkins in PSYCHO count as drag? Or is his character just plain insane?
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Post by I Love Melvin on Feb 9, 2024 15:15:54 GMT
Re: George Saunders, Melvin. I made an assumption-always tricky- because of THE KREMLIN LETTER plot, he was trying to pass as a woman. Does Anthony Perkins in PSYCHO count as drag? Or is his character just plain insane? The "drag" scene in The Kremlin Letter was just the moment he got recruited for the big job, sort of like how we saw each of the individual men get recruited for the big heist in Ocean's 11 (1960). The rest of the time he wasn't in drag because that would have sabotaged the whole operation, so you were right in clocking him for not being able to pass as a woman in that situation. Sure, I would think Tony Perkins in Psycho counts. We only really get a glimpse, and not at all a clear one, in the shower scene and at that point we still think it's his mother, but the implication is pretty clear that this is his m. o., to dress in her clothing. Creepy, but as I said before, not all usages of drag in films have been fun or pretty. Some are actually quite gruesome. In The Celluloid Closet (1995) there's a scene from Freebie and the Bean (1974), a cop buddy movie with James Caan and Alan Arkin, both of whom I like as actors, but I refuse to post the scene because it's so disturbing. A cross-dressing thief is cornered in a public bathroom and gunned down in a fusillade of bullets, blood splattering everywhere. Keep in mind, this is a thief, though admittedly one who shot at a police officer when caught, but also one who was wearing a dress. From some accounts, cheers erupted in theaters, so the welcome mat was most definitely not always out for drag in movies.
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Post by I Love Melvin on Feb 10, 2024 0:17:45 GMT
I don't want to move on from The Birdcage without paying tribute to Nathan Lane. The movie includes a partial number by his drag character Starina in modified "Sunset Boulevard" drag, but I think his highest achievement was when he stepped in as his son's biological mother at the dinner party, in full matron drag. It just cracks me up and I think this performance went a long way toward convincing general audiences that maybe they liked drag after all.
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Post by galacticgirrrl on Feb 10, 2024 0:31:45 GMT
I don't want to move on from The Birdcage until I mention La Cage aux Folles (1978). Our high school French teacher was incredible enough to take us all out on a field trip to the theatre to see this film. Teachers are so brave, dedicated - making sure we all get a chance to see things outside of our usual little realm.
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Post by I Love Melvin on Feb 11, 2024 0:06:30 GMT
I don't want to move on from The Birdcage until I mention La Cage aux Folles (1978). Our high school French teacher was incredible enough to take us all out on a field trip to the theatre to see this film. Teachers are so brave, dedicated - making sure we all get a chance to see things outside of our usual little realm. Good teachers can make all the difference in a life. I saw it in a theater too but I don't remember if it was dubbed. I'm assuming it was in French with subtitles when you saw it? The Birdcage followed the script to La Cage aux Folles pretty closely; both are fun but it's always good to pay tribute to the original of anything. Here's Mama (Michel Serrault) in the original.
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Post by I Love Melvin on Feb 11, 2024 15:08:29 GMT
Drag has been around in film for many decades, generally in isolated sequences mostly played for comedy, but a more recent phenomenon is full-on performances in drag maintained throughout the entire film. Early credit for this should go to Andy Warhol and Paul Morrissey, who elevated a stable of drag performers like Candy Darling, Holly Woodlawn and Jackie Curtis to "superstardom", at least in their own minds. John Waters and Divine took that ball and ran it into the end zone (Is that right? I'm not good with sports.) Divine was really the modern template for the culture of drag "personalities" who can become global icons without the public ever knowing their real names. Divine has such a special place in drag history that I want to take some time to marshal my words before I can talk about him. (I'm using "him" because that's how he thought of himself and by the end of his life he was intentionally transitioning to include male roles, still under the professional name of Divine.) Anyway, on another front, the theater, Charles Busch was following in the path of Charles Ludlam and his Theater of the Ridiculous, plugging away in series of plays showcasing himself in female roles, shows such as Vampire Lesbians of Sodom (1984) and She-Bitch of Byzantium (also 1984). Those shows were popular enough to interest backers for film projects like Psycho Beach Party (2000), in which he played a female police detective investigating a series of murders in a beach community and Die, Mommie, Die (2003), a sendup up those melodramas specifically tailored for actresses like Lana Turner and Susan Hayward in their late careers, as well as the "florid" projects Bette Davis and Joan Crawford became associated with.
There are plenty of sly movie references for fans of cinema in general and some neat skewering of the inflated egos at the center of many show biz stories, in this case the story of actress "Angela Arden". Here's a collage of some of the favorite lines by a YouTube poster (rickydoodlebug).
Before that there was Psycho Beach Party (2000), a send-up of drive-in fare like beach movies and teen slasher films. Here's Busch at work as Captain Monica Stark.
I'm not a fan of gore or slasher stuff, so I haven't revisited this one as often as I have Die, Mommy, Die, but there's no denying what an achievement it was for a drag artist to get this onto film.
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Post by kims on Feb 11, 2024 20:11:30 GMT
I've been trying to remember the Robert Deniro film where the drag performer saves his life. Deniro's character, maybe a cop, is recovering from a stroke and prejudiced against his drag performer neighbor. Memory fails terribly-I can't remember who plays the drag performer. The best part of his performance is naming actresses he is imitating to rescue Deniro. From that sketchy info, if you can name that film, I'll be glad to know the title again.
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Post by I Love Melvin on Feb 11, 2024 23:57:15 GMT
I've been trying to remember the Robert Deniro film where the drag performer saves his life. Deniro's character, maybe a cop, is recovering from a stroke and prejudiced against his drag performer neighbor. Memory fails terribly-I can't remember who plays the drag performer. The best part of his performance is naming actresses he is imitating to rescue Deniro. From that sketchy info, if you can name that film, I'll be glad to know the title again. That was Flawless (1999), with Philip Seymour Hoffman, an interesting take on the "buddy" film. De Niro had and has a talent for showing up in really unexpected places on film. The trajectory his character takes from flat-out rejection to respect perfectly illustrates the journey many Americans have taken in their thinking over the last several decades.
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