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Post by kims on Aug 20, 2024 17:26:33 GMT
Have you seen SEVEN WOMEN. It's not drag, but Anne Bancroft plays very masculine in dress and manner in this film-better than Hepburn or Dietrich.
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Post by I Love Melvin on Aug 20, 2024 23:12:41 GMT
Have you seen SEVEN WOMEN. It's not drag, but Anne Bancroft plays very masculine in dress and manner in this film-better than Hepburn or Dietrich. It's been years since I've seen it but I think you're right that her character is masculine in the sense that she drinks, swaggers and swears. Under the circumstances in which the story takes place I suppose it could be said that her clothing choice was simply a practical matter, but it does seem that her character was gay-coded in that movie. It was at a later time than Dietrich or Hepburn in their prime, so it was easier for filmmakers to spell it out more specifically.
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Post by NoShear on Aug 21, 2024 15:56:05 GMT
Luchino Visconti's The Damned (1969) may have been the first (?) of the modern era to use the image of an actor (Helmut Berger) in drag to promote the film as a whole. But, since the image was tied to decadence and Naziism, it's difficult (but not impossible) to see it as a progressive use of drag. I've had opportunities to rewatch the film over the years but have never taken advantage of them, so I can't say how well it's held up. The movie was initially rated X in this country, but changed to an R rating when 12 minutes were cut. There's also a scene where drunken members of the SA, Hitler's elite goon squad which helped bring him to power, have incorporated drag into their revelry, but by morning Hitler has had them all slaughtered, having by that time outlived their usefulness and probably because behavior such as this could compromise Hitler's ambitions. Hitler, ever the autocrat, was tolerant of things when they suited him and intolerant if they no longer did, to put it mildly. There's a lesson there. I could see this one being cross-referenced - no pun intended - in your Bad Movies We Love / Guilty Pleasures. thread, I Love Melvin... Hey, Dirk Bogarde and Charlotte Rampling: THE NIGHT PORTER!
Your post reminded me of a documentary about the dark side - again, no pun intended - of the WWII blackouts where if I correctly remember hearing, a serial killer was 'afforded' some free reign in Nazi Germany lest anyone think some fine, upstanding Aryan could be given to sexualized murders. The deviant Weimar Republic earlier told a different story where Lustmord had held some morbid interest within its dysfunctional society. None of that for Hitler, so Fritz Lang, who's said to have actually interviewed some child killers at an institution, took this fascination with him to America.
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Post by I Love Melvin on Aug 22, 2024 17:39:59 GMT
TCM just showed Gentlemen Marry Brunettes (1955) for Jeanne Crain's SUTS day and Alan Young played a rich young man trying to make it on his own in Paris without using his parent's money. There's a three-way split screen of him with his mother and father on the phone, with him as all three, with mom being the typical straight-laced Bostonian stereotype. What would Mr. Ed think?
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Post by I Love Melvin on Aug 30, 2024 14:58:14 GMT
It's not an example of drag in film as much as it's an example of film entering the world of drag. The 1968 documentary The Queen documented a drag ball in New York City, a newly annual event which had to take place "underground" because of city ordinances against men in women's clothing and also because of the enduring societal stigma. The ball was organized and hosted by, and the movie narrated by The Flawless Sabrina (nee Jack Doroshow), an early advocate and activist for the gay and transgender communities, especially where they converged in the practice of drag. The film struck a chord with many critics, which helped it reach a much wider audience than such a film normally would. It's worth remembering this was done at a time when these participants in the film could pay a huge price with employers and with the law, so let's remember that a threat was still, even in 1968, lurking below all the fun. A restored version of the film has been posted to YouTube, for anyone interested.
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Post by I Love Melvin on Aug 30, 2024 15:23:59 GMT
Have you seen SEVEN WOMEN. It's not drag, but Anne Bancroft plays very masculine in dress and manner in this film-better than Hepburn or Dietrich. Getting back to kim's subject, there's a really blatant example of Hollywood testing the limits of drag for women, though I'm sure many of the participants wouldn't have characterized it as such. As the saying goes, a picture is worth a thousand words. Head-to-toe buckskin, but not with any real practicality attached to it, with the tight tailoring and the purely ornamental fringe which it seems would actually impede free movement rather than make it easier for a frontier gal to do her stuff. So the clothing is intentional rather than functional. Add to that her "rambunctious" nature, her fascination with a showgirl and their setting up a home together, complete with their names on the door, which makes it seem as though any snap judgements about the character have suddenly been made real. Add to that the fact that the song "Secret Love" developed an almost immediate anthemic status among gay men and women, and you really have to wonder how this movie and treatment of the character could have come about unintentionally. This isn't a slam on Doris or the movie, just an observation. The only real complaint I have about the movie is the song "Whip Crack Away", which, every time I hear it, becomes a bothersome ear worm I can't get rid of for days. But, back to the subject, this is d rag, pure and simple.
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Post by kims on Aug 30, 2024 16:05:37 GMT
I agree Melvin, at the time released, Day's interest in the showgirl was an uncomfortable moment for a few friends. I was "I don't believe I'm seeing this." I think the movie avoided the pitfall of "obvious" because good ole wholesome Doris couldn't be.
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Post by I Love Melvin on Aug 30, 2024 20:41:04 GMT
I agree Melvin, at the time released, Day's interest in the showgirl was an uncomfortable moment for a few friends. I was "I don't believe I'm seeing this." I think the movie avoided the pitfall of "obvious" because good ole wholesome Doris couldn't be. Yeah, that was around the time of the Red Scare and the Lavender Scare, so people were conditioned to think that homosexuals would immediately stand out because of their horns and hooves, which was so not Doris, so the moviemakers could get a pass. Westerns and pirate movies were fertile ground for cross-dressing women too. Yvonne De Carlo also played Calamity Jane ( Calamity Jane and Sam Bass, 1949), but didn't overplay the gruff parody of masculine behavior in quite the same way Doris did and the buckskin looked a little more Rodeo Drive than rodeo, with a more flattering feminine styling. Not to single out Yvonne De Carlo particularly, but she also went the lady pirate route in Buccaneer's Girl (1950). Neither of these roles had the same odd undertone that Day's Calamity Jane did, with that strange detour before she ended up with her male co-star, Howard Keel.
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Post by I Love Melvin on Aug 30, 2024 21:08:40 GMT
Another totally confusing western role was Joan Crawford's Vienna in Nicholas Ray's Johnny Guitar (1954). She was simultaneously fixated on a young guy and wildly competitive with another woman, Mercedes McCambridge, to the point of obsession. The reason given is that both women were former rivals for The Dancin' Kid (Scott Brady), but the feeling remains that Vienna's passionate hatred of McCambridge has deeper roots. Strange movie.
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Post by I Love Melvin on Sept 6, 2024 23:34:49 GMT
Here's Eddie Cantor doing drag (for more than just a moment, so it was part of the plot) in the pre-Code musical Palmy Days (1931) for Samuel Goldwyn (and those are Goldwyn Girls in the showers). It's the Some-Like-It-Hot scenario, in which he's trying to hide out from racketeers, so it's all in the service of comedy. That's Charlotte Greenwood shoving him into the shower. It shouldn't be too hard to pick him out of this line-up.
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Post by I Love Melvin on Sept 15, 2024 18:30:49 GMT
When the Boys Meet the Girls (1965) was part of MGM's attempt to follow up on the success of their songbird Connie Francis in Where the Boys Are (1961), but they ended up dusting off an old property of theirs, Mickey and Judy's Girl Crazy (1943), which pretty much guaranteed it would be out of step with the Swingin' 60's. It was one of those youthful highjinks things, with musical acts thrown in, so here's Sam the Sham and the Pharaohs with some "go-go girls", part of their fraternity's tradition of using men in women's roles for their shows, so there's nothing wrong with it. Anyway, it's quite a sight.
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Post by kims on Sept 15, 2024 21:34:24 GMT
I just realized who we have not mentioned. DIETRICH! Kate Hepburn seems to get the rebel title because she wore slacks (not pants, watch your mouth - PAT AND MIKE) Hepburn may have raised eyebrows, but Marlene was the real thing. In 1933 (?) in MOROCCO (with Gary Cooper) dressed in tux and with male swagger, she kisses a woman full on the mouth.
It can be debated that this scene is what made the Code law. Dietrich's stage shows of the 50's to 60's were performed half the show in her tux.
With Dietrich leading the "pack" if the Code had not been in force, wouldn't this thread have less drag used as comedy?
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Post by I Love Melvin on Sept 15, 2024 23:49:19 GMT
I just realized who we have not mentioned. DIETRICH! Kate Hepburn seems to get the rebel title because she wore slacks (not pants, watch your mouth - PAT AND MIKE) Hepburn may have raised eyebrows, but Marlene was the real thing. In 1933 (?) in MOROCCO (with Gary Cooper) dressed in tux and with male swagger, she kisses a woman full on the mouth. It can be debated that this scene is what made the Code law. Dietrich's stage shows of the 50's to 60's were performed half the show in her tux. With Dietrich leading the "pack" if the Code had not been in force, wouldn't this thread have less drag used as comedy? Right you are. She revived the tuxedoed look, that time in white, for Blonde Venus (1932), when she had to go back into show biz to pay for her husband's medical treatment, though the suit itself was more feminized and not as starkly a man's outfit as it had been in Morocco. I think maybe Marlene had the advantage, which Kate did not have, of being seen as "European" and therefore somewhat exotic to begin with, so that the slacks, etc. seemed like less of a stretch maybe? Also, Marlene presented as more of a sexual being in general than Kate, so was there more latitude given to her for things like men's wear? It's a good question of what things might have looked like without the Code in terms of cross-dressing and its primary use as a tool of comedy. When it was used for laughs the idea that it was transgressive was reinforced, so that the charade generally involved impossibly masculine looking men who could never carry it off realistically, so that there was no risk of genuine offense because it didn't have to be taken seriously. Anyone like Marlene had to be taken seriously and it made some people very nervous.
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Post by I Love Melvin on Sept 16, 2024 21:57:05 GMT
I've seen The Crimson Pirate (1952) a couple of times over the years, but I'd forgotten about this comic bit until I watched it again the other day. I won't bore you with details, but it's part of one of those the pirate schemes to prevent the wedding of the woman the captain fancies. Local maidens have been enlisted to present flowers to the happy couple and are infiltrated by Burt Lancaster, his buddy Nick Cravat, and a third pirate, Nick with a bouquet covering his beard. Naturally, a comic rout ensues, but the big deal here is we get to see a very confidant Burt Lancaster in drag. In many such movies the giveaway would be that they were still clumping around in big ol' pirate boots under their skirts, but somehow our pirate heroes found appropriately dainty shoes in their sizes. Nice touch. And I guess there must have been a hairdresser in the crew because there isn't a curl out of place.
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Post by kims on Sept 17, 2024 0:44:39 GMT
THE CRIMSON PIRATE is a fave film. At the above scene the baron or whatever his title was, says: these local girls aren't to his liking. Always makes me laugh.
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