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Post by Fading Fast on Aug 27, 2023 19:42:30 GMT
Just noticed that Erikson never (so far) even speaks to J. Kerr. He talks around him.
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Post by Andrea Doria on Aug 27, 2023 19:46:08 GMT
I think if a young audience watched this today they would all be waiting for the moment when Tom came out of the closet.
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Post by topbilled on Aug 27, 2023 19:46:23 GMT
They need to lick this thing. LOL
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Post by topbilled on Aug 27, 2023 19:47:06 GMT
I think if a young audience watched this today they would all be waiting for the moment when Tom came out of the closet. Agree. They wouldn't buy him suddenly discovering his heterosexual impulses at the end (to satisfy the production code).
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Post by topbilled on Aug 27, 2023 19:51:10 GMT
John Kerr was 24 when they filmed this.
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Post by Fading Fast on Aug 27, 2023 19:51:20 GMT
I think if a young audience watched this today they would all be waiting for the moment when Tom came out of the closet. Agree. They wouldn't buy him suddenly discovering his heterosexual impulses at the end (to satisfy the production code). I agree, but that's also our modern bias for what we like to see. As some heterosexual kids do "read" different even "not masculine" but they are heterosexual.
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Post by Fading Fast on Aug 27, 2023 19:52:00 GMT
This "pajama party" is so bizarre to me, but I grew up two+ decades later and not in a prep school.
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Post by Andrea Doria on Aug 27, 2023 19:54:40 GMT
Now it's getting brutal, this is hard to watch, shades of fraternity hazing -- the fire is ominous, too.
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Post by Fading Fast on Aug 27, 2023 19:55:13 GMT
Now it's getting brutal, this is hard to watch, shades of fraternity hazing -- the fire is ominous, too. It's cruel.
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Post by topbilled on Aug 27, 2023 19:55:28 GMT
Agree. They wouldn't buy him suddenly discovering his heterosexual impulses at the end (to satisfy the production code). I agree, but that's also our modern bias for what we like to see. As some heterosexual kids do "read" different even "not masculine" but they are heterosexual. But that is what Andrea said...how a modern audience would expect him to come out. So we can bring a modern bias/perspective into it.
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Post by topbilled on Aug 27, 2023 19:56:58 GMT
Darryl Hickman is a fine young actor, with years of experience in movies already at this point of his career.
But the dialogue in this scene with Al and Mrs. Reynolds is particularly cringeworthy.
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Post by Fading Fast on Aug 27, 2023 20:00:07 GMT
I agree, but that's also our modern bias for what we like to see. As some heterosexual kids do "read" different even "not masculine" but they are heterosexual. But that is what Andrea said...how a modern audience would expect him to come out. So we can bring a modern bias/perspective into it. I think we're all saying the same thing as I agree that's what modern audiences expect. My point was simply that that is a bias too. A kid today should be able to be "not traditionally masculine" and be heterosexual, but as we're all saying, we don't want that story told today.
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Post by topbilled on Aug 27, 2023 20:01:28 GMT
I think CAT ON A HOT TIN ROOF (also by MGM, just two years later) is a much better take on repressed homosexuality.
I buy Big Daddy (Burl Ives) as the overbearing patriarch, way more than I do Edward Andrews here in a similar role.
And this film's dialogue is just way too heavy-handed. How many times do characters have to mention the word 'manly'...it's too much.
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Post by Andrea Doria on Aug 27, 2023 20:05:53 GMT
Al, unintentionally making Laura feel bad because she's "not involved," is a turning point for her. Her character is so sad, her husband doesn't understand her at all and she's so lonely.
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Post by Fading Fast on Aug 27, 2023 20:08:04 GMT
Al, unintentionally making Laura feel bad because she's "not involved," is a turning point for her. Her character is so sad, her husband doesn't understand her at all and she's so lonely. I agree that the scene between Hickman and D. Kerr is too-obviously written, but darn it, it's still a good and important scene. When she shows how she could turn the table on him, you could feel him seeing it. And, yes, Hickman calls her out properly.
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