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Post by BunnyWhit on Nov 2, 2022 20:29:43 GMT
One Reel Wonders, Sunny Side of Life, Films on Film, Private Screenings, The Essentials, and so many more thoughtful and creative segments were mainstays of TCM from the beginning. What really stands out in all of them is how much design went into them. They were all different, but they all felt "of the time" of the films they represented.
As Fading Fast wonders, yes -- I do think the new more modern style of TCM's branding is misleading, even "false advertising", and certainly (I believe) jarring. It seems to me the whole point of a brand is to give consumers an idea of what to expect. Bright, flashing colors do not say to me, "Hey! Let's all watch Grand Hotel!"
TCM used to have a feel to it that in no longer has. Much has been discussed about the "new order" and the lecturing many viewers feel TCM is intent on providing. This kind of thing is everywhere in our society now, and I think that's what troubles me most about it's now prevalence on TCM. If we can't escape from the pressures and trials of the modern day by climbing inside a good, old movie without being told what we are supposed to feel about it......what hope is there?
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Post by cineclassics on Nov 2, 2022 21:50:40 GMT
One Reel Wonders, Sunny Side of Life, Films on Film, Private Screenings, The Essentials, and so many more thoughtful and creative segments were mainstays of TCM from the beginning. What really stands out in all of them is how much design went into them. They were all different, but they all felt "of the time" of the films they represented. As Fading Fast wonders, yes -- I do think the new more modern style of TCM's branding is misleading, even "false advertising", and certainly (I believe) jarring. It seems to me the whole point of a brand is to give consumers an idea of what to expect. Bright, flashing colors do not say to me, "Hey! Let's all watch Grand Hotel!" TCM used to have a feel to it that in no longer has. Much has been discussed about the "new order" and the lecturing many viewers feel TCM is intent on providing. This kind of thing is everywhere in our society now, and I think that's what troubles me most about it's now prevalence on TCM. If we can't escape from the pressures and trials of the modern day by climbing inside a good, old movie without being told what we are supposed to feel about it......what hope is there? Very well stated. |
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Post by mrminiver on Nov 5, 2022 6:05:54 GMT
I've watched TCM for years but haven't always paid attention to it. If that makes sense.
The things I've loved most about TCM over the last few years may not be new to the channel but it's the first time I've noticed it.
I love that they've shown or seem to have shown more foreign films.
I love that they've dedicated an entire month to foreign directors and their films.
I love that they've shown more movies by black directors. I've heard of a lot of them but never actually saw them.
I love that they had a whole series on films directed by women. Once again, never actually saw all of them.
I'm at the point where I'm trying to take in as much as I can. We all love our movies but I'd rather watch a new vision rather the
same vision I've been watching over and over again.
To the people that think that TCM has an agenda then that's on you. If your feelings are your feelings then why would you care what others have to say?
I for one love to hear differing opinions. Just because someone is doing something you don't agree with doesn't mean you need to care about it. If TCM is not living up to your expectations the that's on you. If you don't like it then don't watch it.
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Post by cineclassics on Nov 5, 2022 14:57:04 GMT
Respectfully, I don't know anyone who has criticized TCM for including more black directors, foreign language films and women-directed pictures to the programming. The criticism has been geared toward the channel's insistence on lecturing the audience as though we are incapable of understanding in 2022 that certain tropes and stereotypes from 80 years ago are unacceptable. It's the definition of condescension. There is compelling evidence that this scolding tone was very much a rarity under Robert Osborne's leadership from 1994-2017.
I think the most compelling recent example of the change in tone is when TCM uploaded a video on Youtube that stamps negative words on classic films, as though to label them completely unacceptable for modern times. For instance, they labeled Psycho with the word "Transphobic." Not once, in the hundreds of reviews and discussions on Psycho over a 60 year period since the film's release, have I ever heard that film described as transphobic. And yet, TCM has decided to now label it as such.
I understand what TCM is attempting to accomplish: appeal to a newer demographic, attract those viewers and thus forth stay relevant as a channel. However, labeling a film as transphobic isn't an effective marketing strategy to entice younger people to watch classic cinema. It also has the unintended consequence of alienating your loyal customers that you have to rely on in the short term to survive. TCM is in an unenvious position. If you're enjoying the changes to the channel, I think that's great, I'm not going to besmirch anyone for their opinion. However, I don't personally believe a successful business model for a company is to simultaneously celebrate and apologize for their product. That's an awful marketing strategy and doesn't bode well for the future success of the company.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2022 21:20:28 GMT
I can agree with TCM for wanting a larger viewer base.
They need a balance where it isn't "out with the old and in with the new."
I'm finding more things objectionable these days.
I still pay Xfinity the additional $10/month for the package with TCM.
I only use cable TV. No streaming.
It is STILL worth $10/month!
It all started when the pulled the plug on the monthly magazine.
Shop TCM is gone. Backlot too, right?
This forum is awesome (TopBilled) and made free with advertising.
If TCM wants to save expenses, killing off the forum isn't going to matter that much, is it?
Those who use to run TCM would get ideas from their forum, as I've been told, like the programming challenges.
How much does it cost to have the movie intros?
Five hosts plus all the equipment needed to make it happen.
From my community college days (1975-1976), I learned studio lighting costs a fortune.
I would suggest hosts only on Saturday and Sunday.
I don't stay up long enough to know if Ben hosts more than 2 movies during weeknights.
Here in CA., Ben does Prime Time at 5 PM.
I also suggest making another go at streaming. FilmStruck didn't get the chance it deserved.
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Post by mrminiver on Nov 10, 2022 4:56:58 GMT
One Reel Wonders, Sunny Side of Life, Films on Film, Private Screenings, The Essentials, and so many more thoughtful and creative segments were mainstays of TCM from the beginning. What really stands out in all of them is how much design went into them. They were all different, but they all felt "of the time" of the films they represented. As Fading Fast wonders, yes -- I do think the new more modern style of TCM's branding is misleading, even "false advertising", and certainly (I believe) jarring. It seems to me the whole point of a brand is to give consumers an idea of what to expect. Bright, flashing colors do not say to me, "Hey! Let's all watch Grand Hotel!" TCM used to have a feel to it that in no longer has. Much has been discussed about the "new order" and the lecturing many viewers feel TCM is intent on providing. This kind of thing is everywhere in our society now, and I think that's what troubles me most about it's now prevalence on TCM. If we can't escape from the pressures and trials of the modern day by climbing inside a good, old movie without being told what we are supposed to feel about it......what hope is there? I get what you're saying but everything changes. Films change, rules change, laws change, opinions change, people change and even you change. You are not the same as you were yesterday. As with any business if you don't change you will fail. This has been shown time and time again with any business. People also need to be realistic. If TCM says something then why do people consider it "lecturing"? If you don't agree with what they're saying then it's lecturing? "it's now prevalence on TCM" Really the prevalence? I for one like to hear differing views and different perspectives on the world. That doesn't mean I need to agree with it, that only means that I'm open to hearing it and actually think about it and not dismiss something that's new to me. Yes TCM has a demographic but that demographic is fading and will continue to fade. If you don't like what you're being told then don't listen! People keep complaining about something they have 100% control over. Boggles my mind. If you want to curl up with a good old movie then what's stopping you? If you don't like what people are saying, then why do you listen? |
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Post by BunnyWhit on Nov 10, 2022 7:50:05 GMT
I for one like to hear differing views and different perspectives on the world. That doesn't mean I need to agree with it, that only means that I'm open to hearing it and actually think about it and not dismiss something that's new to me. For someone who has expressed this notion more than once, it seems your remarks have been delivered in a reproving fashion. To voice your personal views, you need not condescend to others. Thank you. Yes, I do believe, as do others, that TCM has adopted a demonstrable lecturing tone. TCM has moved from being informative to being instructive. Factual, interesting content -- the sort Robert Osborne imparted daily -- is informative. The intent of a lecture is to be instructive; that is, it tells us what to do. "Watch the film through this lens, not this one." Do information and instruction ever tiptoe over the line into the other's territory? Certainly. But I think the danger comes when the purveyor of instruction gets too far afield. TCM has been inching this direction for some time, and they do seem to be escalating. That is an agenda. |
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Post by mrminiver on Nov 10, 2022 8:51:41 GMT
WOW, If more than once means twice the you're correct. My comments are my comments and how you choose to view them is on you, not me. Like it or not how you feel about comments is on you. Why others continue to blame others on their own reactions amazes me.
Like it or not quotes do nothing to the reality of things actually happening. If he was actually correct in is his views then you were all warned. If you were warned and failed to listen then whose fault is it? Of course it's the fault of those that don't agree with you.
You say you believe then say "as do others". Why do you need validation to your beliefs? If you believe so much in what this person said then why is any of this a surprise to you?
Once again I can't control how people take my statements. Your feelings are on you. If I stated a false statement then please do tell me.
The facts are still the facts no matter how you want to spin it. People can claim whatever they want but that doesn't mean much. Although it means more than it should these days. Different subject.
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Post by tijuanataxi on Nov 26, 2022 3:04:05 GMT
I began watching and recording from TCM on an insanely regular basis in 2009, and have built up a library of well over 4000 feature films, but now the only movies I record regularly are Noir Alley, mainly for the introductions and postmortems by Eddie Muller. Other than the cookie cutter intros that replaced the distinctively original intros of the past (especially Noir Alley), my only real problem with TCM now is that of the movies they show that I'd ever want to watch, I've already seen 98% of them. What I'd love to see replace the crushingly repetitive 31 Days of Oscar would be a new feature called Premiere Month, where every night at 8:00 PM we'd get a TCM premiere.
Other than that, few complaints, although I do wish that Karger would at least show SOME spark of personality. The rest of the hosts are terrific, especially (of course) Eddie. I don't mind the new intros that accompany some of the films with questionable racial attitudes, since although most of us here don't need the history lessons about events and attitudes that we experienced first hand, to some of the newer and younger viewers the contextualization of films like GWTW might be a way of getting them to stick around. All in all, TCM remains one of the great cultural resources of the 21st century, and well worth whatever small amount it may add to my cable bill.
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Post by nickandnora34 on Dec 1, 2022 17:38:54 GMT
Here are some old bumpers for TCM cobbled together. I'd seen some of these before, but I feel like the creativity of all of these really shines; interesting to see the contrast of these with the more modern takes they have now. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2022 21:52:14 GMT
This month has been riddled with repetition.
Even some of the shorts are being shown more than once.
My Xfinity bill increases by $13+ in January.
First thing that comes to mind is to ditch TCM, which costs $9.99 a month.
Those who program TCM are getting lazy.
I could make better use of $10 elsewhere.
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Post by cmovieviewer on Dec 23, 2022 22:10:42 GMT
This month has been riddled with repetition.
Even some of the shorts are being shown more than once.
My Xfinity bill increases by $13+ in January.
First thing that comes to mind is to ditch TCM, which costs $9.99 a month.
Those who program TCM are getting lazy.
I could make better use of $10 elsewhere.
For the sake of discussion, December is always high in repeats because of the Christmas films that are shown each year. It is also not unusual for shorts to be repeated during the month. I agree that there could be more variety in the shorts, but these seem to be an afterthought based on time to fill. In December TCM tends to repeat some of the Christmas-related shorts as well.
TCM has currently scheduled 21 premiere films for January. Of course, these may or may not appeal to a specific viewer depending on what they are looking for. I would assume that March will be devoted to 31 Days of Oscar, so there will be many of the usual Oscar films that month due to the theme. Those that are relatively new to the channel may like these, others who have been through them before may not.
You are certainly entitled to decide if TCM is giving you a sufficient benefit for your money.
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Post by cineclassics on Dec 23, 2022 22:22:15 GMT
Host of TCM Underground, Millie de Chirico, announced that she was recently let go from TCM after 18.5 years due to "company restructuring."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2022 2:08:48 GMT
I must also say, On-Demand titles on Xfinity are limited and expire quickly.
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Post by topbilled on Jan 15, 2023 21:14:37 GMT
Host of TCM Underground, Millie de Chirico, announced that she was recently let go from TCM after 18.5 years due to "company restructuring." |
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