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Post by Cinemaniac on Feb 22, 2024 16:12:28 GMT
Since I have recently been asking about her in another topic, I'd just like to know who else here really likes Susan Hayward. The more I get to see her in movies, the more I really get to like her and appreciate her as a versatile actress. In real life, she was said to be rather distanced from much of the Hollywood crowd, and despite how she played rather tough and hard-headed women on screen, she really seemed like such a sweet and gentle woman as herself. Look here to get a chance to see how Ms. Hayward could be such a multi-faced actress - Which face of hers do you prefer? >>>Feel free to express your appreciation here for Susan Hayward<<<
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Post by kims on Feb 22, 2024 21:11:45 GMT
#6 the bottom right picture. Though it's a dramatic scene from I WANT TO LIVE, I like to think she had humor and fun to be with.
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Post by Cinemaniac on Feb 23, 2024 4:54:18 GMT
Yes, I like that picture. I can't help but find so much sex appeal in her angry snarling scowl. She looks like a fearsome tiger. That's probably what that stuffed toy tiger she was actually holding (although unseen) in this picture was to serve in a metaphorical purpose. Can't you just hear her growl with unchained rage? Just imagine how in an earlier scene in "I WANT TO LIVE" she says in her distinctive rough and husky voice "YEAAAH!!!! My mother on a yacht!"
Notice how the collage shows two pictures of Ms. Hayward looking all stylish and classy as a glamour pose, and one within the group portrays her as mean and tough with a gritty and rugged fashion. Those "bad girl" pictures are nonetheless from "I WANT TO LIVE", and are there to reveal in comparison how she had such a strong ability of changing her appearance from one movie (or photograph) to another. The second picture above (from "I WANT TO LIVE") presents her as looking real butch in comparison to most of the other pictures seen. She also looks as though she needs to wash her face. Whereas, the accompanying pictures show her natural breathtaking beauty with a necessary dash of subtle sex appeal as she's dolled up in stunning evening gala fashion. Nevertheless, Susan Hayward in that last picture, when seen alongside those glamour stills, is literally a wild animal.
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Post by Cinemaniac on Feb 28, 2024 4:43:21 GMT
Just for the sake of this thread not becoming overlooked, I shall point out that members here should not only show appreciation towards Susan Hayward on account of her astonishing beauty and appeal (as evident in the pictures above), but also for her highly accomplished talents as an actress seen in many of her movies.
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Post by I Love Melvin on Feb 28, 2024 14:28:31 GMT
Just for the sake of this thread not becoming overlooked, I shall point out that members here should not only show appreciation towards Susan Hayward on account of her astonishing beauty and appeal (as evident in the pictures above), but also for her highly accomplished talents as an actress seen in many of her movies. I'm going to be honest and you may not like it. I have been overlooking this thread, even though I'm a Susan Hayward fan and would love to discuss some of my favorites of her roles, such as Tulsa and White Witch Doctor. But it makes me uncomfortable to participate in a discussion where an actress is described in terms such as "ravenous yet sex-hungry lust", "a real butch broad" and "a fearsome tiger who's about to gnaw your head right off with her fearsome chompers". I get that you're describing characters she's played, and that you've also acknowledged her "natural breathtaking beauty", but the squirm factor remains for me in hearing actresses described in the hyperbolic, sexualized terms you tend to use. You're certainly free to do so and to create any threads you want to, but this tendency, intentional or not, isn't new and it continues to bother me, so I felt I should express that, hopefully without giving too much offense. But, yes, she's multifaceted and a good choice for discussion. From Tulsa (1949): From White Witch Doctor (1953):
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Post by kims on Feb 28, 2024 16:45:32 GMT
Susan Hayward is a fave actress of mine-the one great performance in VALLEY OF THE DOLLS.
I must agree with both Cinemaniac and Melvin in their assessments. Cinemaniac tells what the studios wanted Hayward's persona to be and she succeeded to be a great actress as well and Melvin tells what makes some women cringe. Too often actresses appear nude in films in "tastefully" done scenes only to be thereafter used as the sex object or forgotten forever. I like Hayward's character in SOLDIER OF FORTUNE. She snaps at the men drooling over her. Was there any other actress allowed to display toughness without being labelled the dreaded term b****?
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Post by I Love Melvin on Feb 29, 2024 0:14:55 GMT
Susan Hayward is a fave actress of mine-the one great performance in VALLEY OF THE DOLLS. I must agree with both Cinemaniac and Melvin in their assessments. Cinemaniac tells what the studios wanted Hayward's persona to be and she succeeded to be a great actress as well and Melvin tells what makes some women cringe. Too often actresses appear nude in films in "tastefully" done scenes only to be thereafter used as the sex object or forgotten forever. I like Hayward's character in SOLDIER OF FORTUNE. She snaps at the men drooling over her. Was there any other actress allowed to display toughness without being labelled the dreaded term b****? Thanks for getting it back to Susan. I got carried away and shouldn't have left it without also saying, Cinemaniac, that I admire your enthusiasm for the actresses you focus on. A thread with a specific focus creates good opportunities for discussion and you're good at facilitating that. Hope I wasn't hurtful and keep on spotlighting actresses you love. Soldier of Fortune is a good one. She not only handled the men, she walked right into their midst because she knew that's where she had to go to get help finding her missing husband. She was so good at that "just doing what I have to do" thing, with no apologies and no backing down. I was surprised to learn when it was shown on TCM at one point that Susan's scenes were all filmed in the States because she couldn't take her children overseas and wouldn't leave them, so she wasn't afraid to stand up to her studio (Twentieth Century-Fox) either.
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Post by jamesjazzguitar on Feb 29, 2024 1:27:08 GMT
I believe there is a difference between playing a strong, independent, slightly hard woman and playing one that comes off as just a "b*****".
Also, a lot of a woman's reaction depends on how the man acts towards said woman. Take the film House of Strangers, and the exchanges between Peter Conte and Hayward. When I first saw the film about 30 years ago, I felt the Hayward character was just a "b*****". I.e. what man would wish to be with such a woman! But subsequent viewing (as well as my experience with my Italian in-laws), changed my POV. The Conte character is a typical-for-the-time arrogant, self-centered and selfish man, who models his behavior based on his stereotypically Italian father. What woman with a backbone would wish to be with such a man!
Most Hayward characters were strong competent woman and often the primary way an insecure man deals with such a woman is by labeling her a 'b*****'.
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Post by Cinemaniac on Mar 2, 2024 17:39:59 GMT
Has anyone gotten to see Susan Hayward's Oscar-winning performance yesterday in "I WANT TO LIVE"? It aired on TCM around 2:00pm as part of the network's annual "31 DAYS OF OSCARS" showcase. Whether you've seen the movie already or not, you can understand why Hayward has surpassed the Academy Award for this brilliant and gripping performance after having lost out in the Oscar race four times prior to her Oscar-winning year. Here are some pictures of Susan Hayward from "I WANT TO LIVE", and judging by these scenes, you can't possibly argue that she didn't deserve the highly coveted award for her performance. - Here she's reaching her breaking point with a desperate urge to be released. - She's a "fun-loving" party girl who knows how to have a little too much of a good time. - You can sense the guilt written all over her face knowing of her cruel past and what the result of her time served in the big house may lead to. I just can't help but feel a sense of sympathy for her in this picture because even though she's a bad girl in this movie, her face just looks almost angelic.
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Post by jamesjazzguitar on Mar 4, 2024 1:02:03 GMT
Has anyone gotten to see Susan Hayward's Oscar-winning performance yesterday in "I WANT TO LIVE"? It aired on TCM around 2:00pm as part of the network's annual "31 DAYS OF OSCARS" showcase. Whether you've seen the movie already or not, you can understand why Hayward has surpassed the Academy Award for this brilliant and gripping performance after having lost out in the Oscar race four times prior to her Oscar-winning year. Here are some pictures of Susan Hayward from "I WANT TO LIVE", and judging by these scenes, you can't possibly argue that she didn't deserve the highly coveted award for her performance. View Attachment- Here she's reaching her breaking point with a desperate urge to be released. View Attachment- She's a "fun-loving" party girl who knows how to have a little too much of a good time. View Attachment- You can sense the guilt written all over her face knowing of her cruel past and what the result of her time served in the big house may lead to. I just can't help but feel a sense of sympathy for her in this picture because even though she's a bad girl in this movie, her face just looks almost angelic. I've seen I Want to Live a few times. Hayward does give a great performance and the Oscar was well deserved. But the subject matter is a little off putting since, as noted, the character is anything but a saint and deserves her fate.
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Post by Cinemaniac on Mar 4, 2024 4:57:14 GMT
Yes, the movie tend to be a little "over the top" dramatic in every sense of the word. Still, you must have at least one once of sympathy for Susan in that third picture. Who am I kidding? She just looks adorable!
Although one may find this hard to believe, I seem to remember hearing on this documentary-like series "THE BEST OF HOLLYWOOD", which was occasionally hosted by Tab Hunter and would highlight the most significant films of each decade, that Jane Russell was originally considered for the lead role in "I WANT TO LIVE".
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Post by Cinemaniac on Mar 28, 2024 2:20:23 GMT
Here's a Susan Hayward film that doesn't receive much attention - "YOUNG AND WILLING". This movie has aired a couple of times on MOVIES! in the past, but I haven't seen it in a few years since. The movie's from about 1943, and also stars a young William Holden, Eddie Bracken, Martha O'Driscoll, Barbara Britton, and Florence McMichael. The later really steals the show because she speaks in such an unusually high-pitched voice. I don't mean she sounds like Jean Hagen in "SINGING IN THE RAIN", I mean she sounds almost exactly like Shari Lewis' Lamb Chop character. The movie is about a group of young actor wannabes residing in an apartment building all ambitious of making it to the big time and incorporating various dramatic acts to their regular mundane situations. Robert Benchley also stars in this film. For those who don't know of him, he's that comic actor in those MGM shorts of the 1930s-1940s who would demonstrate the proper and typical way of performing certain everyday activities, such as how to sleep, or read, or start the day off right as the every man character Joe Doaks. Not to get confused with "Joe McDoaks", a character played by George "George Jetson" O'Hanlon in a series of Warner Bros. short subjects of the 1940s-1950s. Incidentally, Benchley was the pest who kept popping up simultaneously in various scenes in "ROAD TO ZANZIBAR" with Bob Hope/Bing Crosby/Dorothy Lamour in order to provide some form of useful information.
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Post by Cinemaniac on Apr 3, 2024 2:33:34 GMT
I saw some of a movie this morning on GRIT-TV today called "THUNDER IN THE SUN". I couldn't exactly follow the story, since I turned it on mid-way towards the end of the movie. Susan Hayward plays a French woman (I don't know the specific nationality, unless she's French-Canadian) on a wagon train expedition through a Western territory. One thing I'd like to mention is how Hayward does a brilliant and quite attractive sounding French accent. The movie also stars Jeff Chandler.
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Post by jamesjazzguitar on Apr 3, 2024 16:05:31 GMT
I saw some of a movie this morning on GRIT-TV today called "THUNDER IN THE SUN". I couldn't exactly follow the story, since I turned it on mid-way towards the end of the movie. Susan Hayward plays a French woman (I don't know the specific nationality, unless she's French-Canadian) on a wagon train expedition through a Western territory. One thing I'd like to mention is how Hayward does a brilliant and quite attractive sounding French accent. The movie also stars Jeff Chandler. I saw that film on GRIT-TV. They featured woman of the west and they had some good films. As you note, Hayward's French accent is done well.
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Post by Cinemaniac on Apr 4, 2024 3:39:04 GMT
Jamesjazzguitar -
I enjoyed seeing that "WOMEN OF WEST" theme on GRIT-TV, and I hope they continue it again in the future (even outside of March, being Women's History Month). I liked seeing somewhat "underrated" actresses such as Gail Russell and Marie Windsor being acknowledged for their work on film.
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