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Post by topbilled on Jul 5, 2023 16:29:48 GMT
Any thoughts one way or the other..?
He seems to be remembered more as Perry Mason, but I think Ironside had better production values and Burr had more power behind the scenes on that show. (To be fair, he also called the shots when the PM TV movies were made during the 1980s and early 1990s.)
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Post by NoShear on Jul 6, 2023 15:51:54 GMT
Any thoughts one way or the other..?
He seems to be remembered more as Perry Mason, but I think Ironside had better production values and Burr had more power behind the scenes on that show. (To be fair, he also called the shots when the PM TV movies were made during the 1980s and early 1990s.) Though Raymond Burr's IRONSIDE exhibits a gruffer exterior, TopBilled, both his characters offer that paternal righteousness which makes you feel safer. Because IRONSIDE arguably was more self-conscious of its time, ironically, one might find it more dated than PERRY MASON despite the earlier black 'n' white episodes of the latter series. |
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Post by sepiatone on Jul 6, 2023 18:34:01 GMT
I won't get into this "dated" nonsense again. But IRONSIDE, because it was more "self conscious" of it's time did present contemporary subjects and people who were more real than the cliches and stereotypes often paraded out on the DRAGNET reboot of the late '60's. Which is why, in retrospect, I might walk away feeling IRONSIDE was a bit better than the old PERRY MASON show. But what top seems to be asking is if any of us feel Raymond Burr was better as Perry Mason, or Chief IRONSIDE. Which is another "apples and oranges" type question. Let's get real.....
Perry Mason was a high powered defense attorney. Ironside was a grizzled, tough chief of detectives with years of experience on the job. I would hardly think an experienced and skilled actor like Burr would approach the fleshing out of these so obvious different characters in a similar manner It's my opinion that he played such opposites so convincingly you can't really be fair in claiming one is better than the other. You may well ask; Is Laurence Olivier better as HAMLET or HENRY V?
Sepiatone
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Post by jamesjazzguitar on Jul 6, 2023 19:02:11 GMT
Any thoughts one way or the other..?
He seems to be remembered more as Perry Mason, but I think Ironside had better production values and Burr had more power behind the scenes on that show. (To be fair, he also called the shots when the PM TV movies were made during the 1980s and early 1990s.) Though Raymond Burr's IRONSIDE exhibits a gruffer exterior, TopBilled, both his characters offer that paternal righteousness which makes you feel safer. Because IRONSIDE arguably was more self-conscious of its time, ironically, one might find it more dated than PERRY MASON despite the earlier black 'n' white episodes of the latter series. Very solid point about Ironside and the stories\plot being more rooted in their time versus Perry Mason. The type of crimes being central to the plots in Mason were mostly generic; they could have occurred in any time period in the USA. Ironside being set in the late 60s and into the 70s, the plots often reflected the issues-of-the-times, like drugs, race relations, and the rebellious youth of that era. Note that I find something similar in The Untouchables. E.g., it is difficult for me to root for the cops\good-guys, when they are getting all self-righteous over the selling of beer! I love that the show featured many aging studio-era actors, but I just can't get into the overall mission of Ness and company. |
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Post by sepiatone on Jul 8, 2023 15:48:27 GMT
Well remember James. The selling of beer at the time THE UNTOUCHABLES stories took place was illegal. Which is, as I'm sure you know, part of the mission of Ness and company. To find the sellers of illegal alcohol and their sources and put them out of business and help stop the rampant violence that became a large part of it.
Sepiatone
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Post by jamesjazzguitar on Jul 8, 2023 17:06:59 GMT
Well remember James. The selling of beer at the time THE UNTOUCHABLES stories took place was illegal. Which is, as I'm sure you know, part of the mission of Ness and company. To find the sellers of illegal alcohol and their sources and put them out of business and help stop the rampant violence that became a large part of it. Sepiatone Really alcohol was illegal in the USA? Man, who knew! |
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Post by sepiatone on Jul 9, 2023 15:04:18 GMT
  But my Grandma SWEARS it's true! Anyway..... Of course I knew you were well aware of that, which made your "hard to root for the good guys/cops when they are getting all self righteous over the selling of beer!" somewhat insipid for a person of your apparent intelligence. Especially when amended by the "But I just can't get into the overall mission of Ness and company." statement. Sepiatone
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Post by NoShear on Jul 9, 2023 15:24:15 GMT
Though Raymond Burr's IRONSIDE exhibits a gruffer exterior, TopBilled, both his characters offer that paternal righteousness which makes you feel safer. Because IRONSIDE arguably was more self-conscious of its time, ironically, one might find it more dated than PERRY MASON despite the earlier black 'n' white episodes of the latter series. Very solid point about Ironside and the stories\plot being more rooted in their time versus Perry Mason. The type of crimes being central to the plots in Mason were mostly generic; they could have occurred in any time period in the USA. Ironside being set in the late 60s and into the 70s, the plots often reflected the issues-of-the-times, like drugs, race relations, and the rebellious youth of that era. Note that I find something similar in The Untouchables. E.g., it is difficult for me to root for the cops\good-guys, when they are getting all self-righteous over the selling of beer! I love that the show featured many aging studio-era actors, but I just can't get into the overall mission of Ness and company. Thank you, jamesjazzguitar. |
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