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GWTW
Mar 6, 2023 1:11:21 GMT
Post by kims on Mar 6, 2023 1:11:21 GMT
Well, Rhett still doesn't give a .... and the butler of Aunt Pittypat is still given the worst part ever chasing a chicken in the rain to feed the white folks. Has there ever been commentary about why some of these Afro American actors were given such lines. Personally I think he would have had choicer words since the masters weren't around. And how did that scene further the story? Was it added because someone thought Southern audiences would want it?
And then there was the sequel book SCARLETT. She becomes The O'Hara in Ireland. What? My Irish history is sadly lacking because I've not heard of this "The O'Hara" thing before.
So, what should have been in the sequel book to become the sequel film? Give it a go here. I'll start-Scarlett should be saddled with caring for a depressed Ashley and Beau and somehow need to do this with the helpless India nagging at her all the time. We have to do something with Tara-sharecroppers? and some double dealing from the sisters who marry scalawags wanting Scarlett's money? And should we bring Rhett back, or has he finished with Scarlett and remarried, maybe they go toe to toe in some business competition? Dos Prissy runaway to work for Rhett and do some dastardly things to get back at Scarlett?
I know some of you are good writers- what would you do for a worthy sequel in honor of Margaret Mitchell's book?
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Post by cineclassics on Mar 6, 2023 2:15:26 GMT
There shouldn't be a sequel to GWTW...it ends perfectly in my estimation. Scarlett has a full character arc...she goes from a manipulative spoiled brat to a tough as nails independent woman. She lost everything except Tara (and Mamie) in the process. The ending of GWTW is also kind of revelatory for 1939. It isn't a hoaky ending by any means but it feels like a natural conclusion.
It's hard to imagine what happens to Scarlett and Rhett on their separate journeys following the film's conclusion. They've both been irreparably changed.
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GWTW
Mar 6, 2023 13:08:19 GMT
Post by kims on Mar 6, 2023 13:08:19 GMT
Of, course it ends perfectly, that's why the book and film were wildly popular. Doesn't mean we can't have some fun with it, or does it? After all, Carol Burnett came down the stairs with a curtain rod for shoulder pads when she made the dress from Mother's curtains. The ending stays with me because it ends with the question mark, what happens to these people? Just a little fun and stirring of the imagination.
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GWTW
Mar 6, 2023 16:33:14 GMT
Post by sepiatone on Mar 6, 2023 16:33:14 GMT
There shouldn't be a sequel to GWTW...it ends perfectly in my estimation. Scarlett has a full character arc...she goes from a manipulative spoiled brat to a tough as nails independent woman. She lost everything except Tara (and Mamie) in the process. The ending of GWTW is also kind of revelatory for 1939. It isn't a hoaky ending by any means but it feels like a natural conclusion. It's hard to imagine what happens to Scarlett and Rhett on their separate journeys following the film's conclusion. They've both been irreparably changed. Funny, I've seen this movie many times but don't recall a Mamie character in it.  Well, we know Rhett will always land on his feet, having learned how to deal with his losses and how to get along without the emotional anchor of Scarlett. And Scarlett will always(it seems) hope for the best come tomorrow, because after all, tomorrow is another day.  . And I agree there shouldn't be a sequel. It would be too anti climatic and never acceptable to enough people to have been worth the effort. Sepiatone |
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GWTW
Mar 6, 2023 20:03:14 GMT
Post by kims on Mar 6, 2023 20:03:14 GMT
I understood Mamie is Mammy.
But there is the sequel SCARLETT. Written 1990 or earlier. Browsing on line you'd think this was the greatest sequel ever (if memory serves the author is Alexandra Ripley) and a best seller for a while. Maybe a lot of curious people. I'm making fun of the book, because in my opinion I think Mitchell would have not liked it. My memory is that Mitchell created GWTW from family stories and I think if she wrote the sequel it would have been based on family stories, not end up in Ireland as the master of Irish tenants.
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Post by Lucky Dan on Mar 6, 2023 20:54:42 GMT
There is an unpublished sequel, written in the 1970s. Future generations will probably get to read it, but not us. ... "Scarlett” is the second “Gone With the Wind” sequel to be written. In a late ‘70s deal between the Mitchell heirs, producers David Brown and Richard Zanuck and MGM, which owned rights to the original movie, “Tara: The Continuation of Gone With the Wind” was commissioned. Anne Edwards, the novel’s author, had written a biography of the celluloid Scarlett, Vivien Leigh. She later wrote another, of Margaret Mitchell.
The Zanuck-Brown deal dissolved in litigation, and “Tara” remains in a drawer. Edwards says her version never left the South, playing on Georgia’s new state government, yellow fever, the struggles of emancipated blacks and bad feelings toward Yankees. Her Scarlett and Rhett also reunited. |
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Post by kims on Mar 7, 2023 12:50:07 GMT
Thanks L. D. I'll look at that article. The Edwards story sounds more in line with how Mitchell would have told the story. The writing of the sequel battles would make an interesting article-to know what Mitchell's heirs were thinking. In that vein, I'm reading GLADIATORS VS. SPARTACUS. I would not have thought it would be as interesting as I find it. Two books SPARTACUS and THE GLADIATORS from different authors, two studios plan to make a film of Spartacus from the different books, scripts from different blacklisted authors, studios trying to break the blacklist, MCA purchase of Universal International. The book shows how difficult making a film can be.
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GWTW
Mar 7, 2023 17:09:15 GMT
Post by sepiatone on Mar 7, 2023 17:09:15 GMT
I understood Mamie is Mammy. I gathered that. But couldn't let such a blatant gaffe get by without pointing it out. As to a GWTW sequel, I do remember, back in the '70's, a magazine on the racks at an A&P checkout that purported to tell the "continuing story". And if memory serves( not a most reliable source ) it may have been in promotion of a TV movie "Event". But I'm usually skeptical about any possible quality in any sequel that pops up 40-50 or more years after the OG. Sepiatone |
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Post by kims on Mar 7, 2023 20:16:13 GMT
My friend bought the book SCARLETT and told me "don't buy it, I'll give it to you." Never made into a film and mercilessly disappeared in spite of all the hype that it was great and why Mitchell would approve. This is in my anything for a buck file.
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GWTW
Mar 7, 2023 21:25:49 GMT
Post by Lucky Dan on Mar 7, 2023 21:25:49 GMT
The writing of the sequel battles would make an interesting article-to know what Mitchell's heirs were thinking. ... In that vein, I'm reading GLADIATORS VS. SPARTACUS ... studios trying to break the blacklist.
More than five years ago, the trustees of the Mitchell estate hired Ripley to continue the saga and to protect copyrights to the characters that otherwise would expire in 2011. The author of popular epics about Charleston and New Orleans, Ripley doesn’t believe the estate ever considered anyone else.
The old studios made the blacklist. Spartacus was filmed independently by Kirk Douglas's production company and Douglas credited Trumbo publicly. Is that what you mean?
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Post by kims on Mar 7, 2023 23:22:24 GMT
Re:Spartacus Trumbo worked on Spartacus based on Fast's book of that title. Abraham Polonsky was doing the screenplay for GLADIATOR (never made) from Koestler's book of that title. Lots happened in competition between the two studios. Trumbo decided to go on strike when filming was almost done and huge overruns on cost. He demanded recognition for the screenplay. And I am oversimplifying the intrigue, Universal/MCA communicating with UA decide this is the time to break the Legion's Waldorf pact that studios not hire blacklisters. There's maneuvering to hold up GLADIATOR to focus on getting Trumbo's name on film. The story of the two parallel films made is like a Hercule Pirot mystery. And it was not Douglas alone getting Trumbo's name credited. He also wavered about it because the threat of boycotts and the enormous cost overruns threatened to kill the film SPARTACUS. Anybody interested in pitfalls of making a film, how it is affected by the political climate, the theatre owners association, legal rights, etc. etc, I wonder how any film makes it to the screen.
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GWTW
Mar 7, 2023 23:38:48 GMT
Post by Lucky Dan on Mar 7, 2023 23:38:48 GMT
Trumbo decided to go on strike when filming was almost done and huge overruns on cost. He demanded recognition for the screenplay. ... Universal/MCA communicating with UA decide this is the time to break the Legion's Waldorf pact that studios not hire blacklisters. There's maneuvering to hold up GLADIATOR to focus on getting Trumbo's name on film. The story of the two parallel films made is like a Hercule Pirot mystery. And it was not Douglas alone getting Trumbo's name credited. |
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Post by kims on Mar 8, 2023 1:15:54 GMT
There wasn't a completed script for SPARTACUS when filming started with a director I don't recall name at the moment, who is replaced by Kubrick and then Kubrick has his own ideas, rewrites needed. Then after filming finished, everyone decides, I think a continuity problem, there has to be more scenes filmed more money needed, enter Lew Wasserman with MCA buying Universal International which is nearly bankrupt. When film is released Douglas upset with the final cut by MCA which got control because of all the extra money needed. GLADIATORS was a film to be produced with Yul Brynner's company and UA. Seriously, this is a story years in the making and twists and turns. Who is casting who, writer's guild decisions because Fast, author of the SPARTACUS book, was told his screenplay would be used as part of the ruse to cover for Trumbo, but Fast wanted his name as screenwriter. In some ways this is better than some of the films made about film competition, backstabbing and changes in allegiances and who plays poker with whom on Friday nights.
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Post by Lucky Dan on Mar 8, 2023 1:51:24 GMT
There wasn't a completed script for SPARTACUS when filming started ... Seriously, this is a story years in the making and twists and turns. Who is casting who, writer's guild decisions because Fast, author of the SPARTACUS book, was told his screenplay would be used as part of the ruse to cover for Trumbo, but Fast wanted his name as screenwriter. In some ways this is better than some of the films made about film competition, backstabbing and changes in allegiances and who plays poker with whom on Friday nights. |
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