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Post by topbilled on Jan 7, 2023 21:41:10 GMT
My guess is there were some that didn't transfer over to celluloid...especially if they flopped.
Seems like something to research...
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Post by Swithin on Jan 8, 2023 4:03:24 GMT
Although I've never seen it, one of my favorite Broadway musicals, based on the score, is Fiorello!, about NYC Mayor Fiorello H. LaGuardia. It won the Pulitzer Prize for Best Play and won the Tony Award for Best Musical, tying with The Sound of Music, but was never made into a film. Tom Bosley played the eponymous role and won a Tony for it.
It's a great story with a terrific score about an iconic New York character and would make a great film! Here are a couple of great (and timely) songs from the show: "Politics and Poker;" and "Little Tin Box."
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Post by topbilled on Jan 8, 2023 18:30:40 GMT
Although I've never seen it, one of my favorite Broadway musicals, based on the score, is Fiorello!, about NYC Mayor Fiorello H. LaGuardia. It won the Pulitzer Prize for Best Play and won the Tony Award for Best Musical, tying with The Sound of Music, but was never made into a film. Tom Bosley played the eponymous role and won a Tony for it.
It's a great story with a terrific score about an iconic New York character and would make a great film! Here are a couple of great (and timely) songs from the show: "Politics and Poker;" and "Little Tin Box."
Interesting. Never heard of this production. So one has to wonder why something did not get adapted (yet)...was it because Hollywood didn't think it had the potential to sell movie tickets? Or because the rights holders for whatever reason were unable to close a deal with a film studio or independent production company to adapt it?
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Post by Swithin on Jan 9, 2023 0:09:55 GMT
Interesting. Never heard of this production. So one has to wonder why something did not get adapted (yet)...was it because Hollywood didn't think it had the potential to sell movie tickets? Or because the rights holders for whatever reason were unable to close a deal with a film studio or independent production company to adapt it? I don't think it was a rights issue, since the creators (including Bock and Harnick, before Fiddler) were usually happy to grant permission. It probably had something to do with the fact that it may have seemed too local a subject, despite all the awards and that La Guardia had become a national figure. He was certainly a huge figure in New York City history. An airport, the Performing Arts High School, a street, etc., are named for him.
I think the subject matter is universal and touches on so many issues we face today. He was the son of immigrants: a Jewish mother and a Catholic father, both from Italy, and was raised as an Episcopalian. He was a progressive Republican in the days when NYC politics was still controlled by corrupt Tammany Hall, a largely Irish operation. He dealt with issues of immigration, police brutality, and labour unrest. He was a strong supporter of the New Deal and FDR. And famously (my mother remembered this), during a newspaper strike he read the comic strips to kids, over the radio.
The show opened a week after The Sound of Music, with which it was to share the Tony. Brooks Atkinson, The NY Times drama critic, seemed to prefer Fiorello!
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Post by Newbie on Jan 9, 2023 3:00:04 GMT
I have heard of Fiorello! and knew Tom Bosley starred in it. I can't see them making a big screen movie of it, with, as you say, the subject matter being too local. Just the title alone is a problem. I seem to remember that PBS would air filmed stage productions years ago. This would have been a good choice for that, showing it on tv.
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Post by I Love Melvin on Jan 9, 2023 14:10:27 GMT
This show had so much going for it: the Tonys, a Pulitzer (rare for a musical) and an almost two year run on Broadway. I think the idea that the show was so popular in New York was because it spoke specifically to New Yorkers has some merit, but we also have to look at the fate of movie musicals in general to explain the failure of a film version to materialize. A few splashy shows like Gypsy were still making the trek to Hollywood, but in general that tap was being turned off, so it's also somewhat a question of timing. Even The Sound of Music was a gamble, though a gamble which paid off beyond Twentieth Century-Fox's dreams and briefly rekindled interest in the genre. Fiorello! just wasn't favorably positioned on that timeline, coming as it did at a time when the movie industry's interest in musicals was waning and before its brief resurgence. There were other shows from around that time which in former days would have seemed like a natural bet for a film version but which were overlooked by Hollywood: Lucille Ball's Wildcat (though reviews weren't great) and the Sid Ceasar-driven Little Me. Little Me in particular, because it was based on a classic Patrick Dennis book and poked very broad fun at the movie industry. (Nothing too nasty. More along the lines of Singin' in the Rain.)
Fiorello! was also a star-making vehicle for Tom Bosley. If there had been a movie version, who knows what kind of film career he might have had.
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Post by topbilled on Jan 9, 2023 14:36:21 GMT
This show had so much going for it: the Tonys, a Pulitzer (rare for a musical) and an almost two year run on Broadway. I think the idea that the show was so popular in New York was because it spoke specifically to New Yorkers has some merit, but we also have to look at the fate of movie musicals in general to explain the failure of a film version to materialize. A few splashy shows like Gypsy were still making the trek to Hollywood, but in general that tap was being turned off, so it's also somewhat a question of timing. Even The Sound of Music was a gamble, though a gamble which paid off beyond Twentieth Century-Fox's dreams and briefly rekindled interest in the genre. Fiorello! just wasn't favorably positioned on that timeline, coming as it did at a time when the movie industry's interest in musicals was waning and before its brief resurgence. There were other shows from around that time which in former days would have seemed like a natural bet for a film version but which were overlooked by Hollywood: Lucille Ball's Wildcat (though reviews weren't great) and the Sid Ceasar-driven Little Me. Little Me in particular, because it was based on a classic Patrick Dennis book and poked very broad fun at the movie industry. (Nothing too nasty. More along the lines of Singin' in the Rain.) Fiorello! was also a star-making vehicle for Tom Bosley. If there had been a movie version, who knows what kind of film career he might have had. I guess this begs the question, does every hit Broadway show deserve a film adaptation?
Of course there have been plenty of unproduced plays that served as the basis for movie scripts, but that's another topic altogether.
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Post by I Love Melvin on Jan 9, 2023 22:44:26 GMT
I know this thread isn't supposed to focus entirely on musicals, but the one which has always stood out for me is Rodgers and Hammerstein's Pipe Dream (1955), especially considering that their name at that time practically guaranteed a movie adaptation. It was a show with an amazing pedigree which mostly failed to connect with audiences and critics, which probably explains the movie industry's indifference. It was based on a John Steinbeck novel about a marine biologist who falls in love with a prostitute, and there's your big problem right there. Neither Broadway nor Hollywood was equipped at that time to deal honestly and realistically with that kind of material, so it was probably always going to be a non-starter. Plays from Broadway were routinely "cleaned up" for film, but if the New York product was already so watered down then there wasn't much hope of bringing anything intelligible to the screen. Hammerstein apparently later regretted having been persuaded to do it because it was so against his instinct to tell that kind of story. Henry Fonda was attached to it for a bit but eventually bowed out after an honest appraisal of his vocal ability by all concerned, including himself. Helen Traubel, from the world of opera, was signed for the role of the madam of the bordello, which quickly became a vague kind of boarding house/social club. Judy Tyler was signed on the basis of her role as Princess Summerfall Winterspring on the Howdy Doody Show and her part became less prostitutey and more "free spirited". (She did Jailhouse Rock with Elvis shortly after but died with her husband in a car crash driving back to the East Coast.) Her song "Everybody's Got a Home But Me" is probably the one which has had the longest life after the show. There hasn't been a major revival and I'm only really aware of it because I found the cast album at a yard sale. It's understandable that there wasn't a movie version, I guess, but still shocking because of the caliber of talent involved in its creation.
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Post by Swithin on Jan 10, 2023 1:26:51 GMT
There are many factors involved, for example, whether the play is film-able in a manner that would appeal to a mass audience. Many modern plays might not work on screen. Also, today, many plays are filmed to show in theaters, in order to make money for the theater companies; they're not exactly feature films.
Looking at the list of Tony Award-winning plays, many have been filmed; others haven't. Looking at the 1960 crop of five nominees, they've all been adapted for the movies: The Miracle Worker, A Raisin in the Sun, The Best Man, The Tenth Man, Toys in the Attic. Those plays had more or less traditional structures that lent themselves to film adaptations. The work of some playwrights would just not translate, except for a limited audience.
By the way, Pipe Dream, which has a lovely score, was nominated for a Tony. There were only two nominees that year. The other nominee (and winner) was Damn Yankees.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Award_for_Best_Play
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Award_for_Best_Musical
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Post by I Love Melvin on Jan 11, 2023 0:36:28 GMT
There are many factors involved, for example, whether the play is film-able in a manner that would appeal to a mass audience. Many modern plays might not work on screen.
An early example of that might be Thornton Wilder's The Skin of Our Teeth (1942). It played fast and loose with theatrical conventions and no doubt would have rocked the cinema boat as well if it had been attempted. It's a mish-mash of historical themes and contexts, presided over by one character in particular who directly addresses and sometimes hectors the audience. Acts I and III center on a family unit meant to suggest Adam, Eve, Cain and Abel, set in a New Jersey suburb with an ice age impending, bringing an assortment of historical characters to their door seeking shelter, including a dinosaur and a Wooly Mammoth Their maid, the one given to breaking the fourth wall, reappears in Act II as a beauty queen on the Boardwalk in Atlantic City set on disrupting the family dynamic as, again, disaster looms in the form of a Noah-style deluge. Act III begins as the family emerges from bunkers following a disasterous years-long war, with members of the family on opposing sides and questionable prospects for recovery and redemption. The play intentionally raises the question of whether or not the human race is capable of not repeating its history and basically leaves any solution in the hands of the audience The play was obviously crafted to speak to a country which had just emerged from the Depression and was currently involved in a World War on an unprecedented scale. It's a sometimes-bewildering mix of whimsy and pathos, yet it connected to Broadway audiences and had a long run, also winning the Pulitzer Prize. So it can't really be said that there wasn't a potential movie audience as well if a way could have been found to translate it to that medium, though it's hard to imagine what that way might have been. That's Montgomery Clift at the rear.
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Post by Swithin on Jan 11, 2023 2:19:23 GMT
There are many factors involved, for example, whether the play is film-able in a manner that would appeal to a mass audience. Many modern plays might not work on screen.
An early example of that might be Thornton Wilder's The Skin of Our Teeth (1942). It played fast and loose with theatrical conventions and no doubt would have rocked the cinema boat as well if it had been attempted. It's a mish-mash of historical themes and contexts, presided over by one character in particular who directly addresses and sometimes hectors the audience. Acts I and III center on a family unit meant to suggest Adam, Eve, Cain and Abel, set in a New Jersy suburb with an ice age impending, bringing an assortment of historical characters to their door seeking shelter, including a dinosaur and a Wooly Mammoth Their maid, the one given to breaking the fourth wall, reappears in Act II as a beauty queen on the Boardwalk in Atlantic City set on disrupting the family dynamic as, again, disaster looms in the form of a Noah-style deluge. Act III begins as the family emerges from bunkers following a disasterous years-long war, with members of the family on opposing sides and questionable prospects for recovery and redemption. The play intentionally raises the question of whether or not the human race is capable of not repeating its history and basically leaves any solution in the hands of the audience The play was obviously crafted to speak to a country which had just emerged from the Depression and was currently involved in a World War on an unprecedented scale. It's a sometimes-bewildering mix of whimsy and pathos, yet it connected to Broadway audiences and had a long run, also winning the Pulitzer Prize. So it can't really be said that there wasn't a potential movie audience as well if a way could have been found to translate it to that medium, though it's hard to imagine what that way might have been. That's Montgomery Clift at the rear. It's a crazy play! I just saw a major revival of it a few months ago, at Lincoln Center Theatre in New York. The Antrobus family was black in the production.
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Post by dianedebuda on Jan 11, 2023 12:11:23 GMT
There were other shows from around that time which in former days would have seemed like a natural bet for a film version but which were overlooked by Hollywood: Lucille Ball's Wildcat (though reviews weren't great) and the Sid Ceasar-driven Little Me. Little Me in particular, because it was based on a classic Patrick Dennis book and poked very broad fun at the movie industry. (Nothing too nasty. More along the lines of Singin' in the Rain.) First thing I thought of was Wildcat (1960). I've never seen the show, but love the soundtrack. I'm not a TV Lucy fan, but even she sounded ok on the cd. Had heard there were problems with the book though. Beyond the breakout song Hey! Look Me Over!, there were gems like
The second was the actual musical Irma La Douce, not the non-musical Billy Wilder film version. This was the first professional stage production I'd ever seen: 1962 National Tour at the McVickers Theater in Chicago staring Taina Elg. Remember it as having Irma as the solo female character and a terrific male vocal cast. Of course, when I mentioned seeing this at my jr high school, the teachers were mortified. 😁
From the more recent era, would love to see a film of Something Rotten! (2015) especially the showstopper This one I have seen on stage with a national tour cast.
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Post by I Love Melvin on Jan 11, 2023 13:10:42 GMT
The second was the actual musical Irma La Douce, not the non-muscal Billy Wilder film version. This was the first stage production I'd ever seen: 1962 National Tour at the McVickers Theater in Chicago staring Taina Elg. Remember it as having Irma as the solo female character and a terrific male vocal cast. Of course, when I mentioned seeing this at my jr high school, the teachers were mortified. 😁
The same thing was done with Fanny, the 1954 musical directed by Joshua Logan. It was fairly well-reviewed but when Logan finally directed a screen version in 1961 the songs were eliminated, though musical elements of the Broadway score were used in the film score, which I personally see as more of an insult than a tribute, though I like that dramatic version. I envy you seeing a production of Irma La Douce with Taina Elg. I'm a fan on the basis of Les Girls, but there isn't really anything else of her musical work on film.
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Post by Swithin on Jan 11, 2023 14:10:57 GMT
First thing I thought of was Wildcat (1960). I've never seen the show, but love the soundtrack. I'm not a TV Lucy fan, but even she sounded ok on the cd. Had heard there were problems with the book though. Beyond the breakout song Hey! Look Me Over!, the were gems like
The second was the actual musical Irma La Douce, not the non-muscal Billy Wilder film version. This was the first stage production I'd ever seen: 1962 National Tour at the McVickers Theater in Chicago staring Taina Elg. Remember it as having Irma as the solo female character and a terrific male vocal cast. Of course, when I mentioned seeing this at my jr high school, the teachers were mortified. 😁
I love both scores. One of my favorite songs in Wildcat is "What Takes My Fancy." The score is by Cy Coleman/Carolyn Leigh. I think Coleman's two shows with Carolyn Leigh (Wildcat and Little Me) are my favorite of his scores, with On the Twentieth Century close behind.
Although they cut the songs for Billy Wilder's film of Irma La Douce, they used the music from many of the songs as background throughout the movie.
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