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Post by topbilled on Dec 29, 2022 15:47:41 GMT
No television roles for these folks:
Jennifer Jones William Powell Vera Ralston Tom Cruise Marion Davies
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Post by sepiatone on Dec 29, 2022 17:50:24 GMT
CLARK GABLE MARILYN MONROE SPENCER TRACY PAUL MUNI JOHN WAYNE
Although Wayne did make a few cameos on TV( notably on MAUDE) his only foray concerning television that I know of was his being courted by CBS to star in their(then) new television western, a TV version of the radio hit GUNSMOKE. But not interested in the medium it was Wayne who suggested and campaigned for "up and coming" actor JAMES ARNESS to take the Marshal Dillon role.
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Post by topbilled on Dec 29, 2022 19:20:10 GMT
CLARK GABLE MARILYN MONROE SPENCER TRACY PAUL MUNI JOHN WAYNE Although Wayne did make a few cameos on TV( notably on MAUDE) his only foray concerning television that I know of was his being courted by CBS to star in their(then) new television western, a TV version of the radio hit GUNSMOKE. But not interested in the medium it was Wayne who suggested and campaigned for "up and coming" actor JAMES ARNESS to take the Marshal Dillon role. Sepiatone John Wayne was in an episode of I Love Lucy and an episode of The Lucy Show. He also had a cameo in an episode of Wagon Train alongside his old buddy Ward Bond.
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Post by ericj on Dec 30, 2022 4:38:09 GMT
No television roles for these folks: Tom Cruise Okay, if you want to count Captain Planet...
And only ONE TV role for Yul Brynner, but at least an appropriate one: www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lwT4lhSwBE
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Post by sepiatone on Dec 30, 2022 16:58:34 GMT
CLARK GABLE MARILYN MONROE SPENCER TRACY PAUL MUNI JOHN WAYNE Although Wayne did make a few cameos on TV( notably on MAUDE) his only foray concerning television that I know of was his being courted by CBS to star in their(then) new television western, a TV version of the radio hit GUNSMOKE. But not interested in the medium it was Wayne who suggested and campaigned for "up and coming" actor JAMES ARNESS to take the Marshal Dillon role. Sepiatone John Wayne was in an episode of I Love Lucy and an episode of The Lucy Show. He also had a cameo in an episode of Wagon Train alongside his old buddy Ward Bond.You know, ever since my cable service offered MEtv I've watched reruns of WAGON TRAIN religiously. But never did see Wayne in any episode. Gotta wonder now how I missed it. But I seem to remember when Wayne was in those Lucy shows he was himself in a cameo appearance. Same with Maude. But of course in Wagon Train he couldn't very well be himself, John Wayne. But then too.... I thought this was about classic film stars that had television series runs. Like Fred MacMurray doing MY THREE SONS or Henry Fonda and his THE SMITH FAMILY bomb and the like. Sepiatone
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Post by kim s. on Dec 30, 2022 21:18:43 GMT
ericj remembered "And only ONE TV role for Yul Brynner, but at least an appropriate one:" The tv show ANNA AND THE KING, created by the same people who gave us m*a*s*h, seemed to want ANNA AND THE KING to fail. Anna was changed from British to American, then cast British actress Samantha Eggar as Anna. The plots were the same catagory as FAMILY AFFAIR-geared for younger audiences. The laugh track made the show unwatchable-it was used after almost every line-I wondered what was funny about that line?. Yes, I watched the show when first run in the 70's Yul was employed by CBS late 1940's and early 1950's. He acted in Studio One and Omnibus, but mostly directed. You can find some of his tv work on Youtube.
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Post by topbilled on Dec 30, 2022 21:40:25 GMT
John Wayne was in an episode of I Love Lucy and an episode of The Lucy Show. He also had a cameo in an episode of Wagon Train alongside his old buddy Ward Bond. You know, ever since my cable service offered MEtv I've watched reruns of WAGON TRAIN religiously. But never did see Wayne in any episode. Gotta wonder now how I missed it. But I seem to remember when Wayne was in those Lucy shows he was himself in a cameo appearance. Same with Maude. But of course in Wagon Train he couldn't very well be himself, John Wayne. But then too.... I thought this was about classic film stars that had television series runs. Like Fred MacMurray doing MY THREE SONS or Henry Fonda and his THE SMITH FAMILY bomb and the like. Sepiatone John Wayne did not play himself on Wagon Train. He has a small cameo at the end of the episode that John Ford directed in Season 4, and I believe it was the last one that Ward Bond filmed before suffering a fatal heart attack. So an appropriate end to Bond's tenure on the show.
The thread is about film stars that did not do any television roles at all. So if you look at their filmographies on the IMDb, you will only see acting roles in feature films.
I wanted to foster a discussion about stars that stayed away from television...and what the reasons might have been. That's all.
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Post by kim s. on Dec 30, 2022 23:21:23 GMT
in Eli Wallach's book, he says in the early days of television the film studios didn't want their stars to appear on t.v., something of believing traitors go to t.v. Wallach said theatre people went to tv and as a result some of the good and great theatre people have a media footprint. The fact that early television originated from NYC may be a factor that theatre actors did tv. While the studio systems existed for film stars, the studios could stop actors from doing tv.
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Post by topbilled on Dec 31, 2022 15:18:44 GMT
in Eli Wallach's book, he says in the early days of television the film studios didn't want their stars to appear on t.v., something of believing traitors go to t.v. Wallach said theatre people went to tv and as a result some of the good and great theatre people have a media footprint. The fact that early television originated from NYC may be a factor that theatre actors did tv. While the studio systems existed for film stars, the studios could stop actors from doing tv. Yes, and I think this also explains why theater actors also took roles on daytime soaps, since many of them were produced in New York City.
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As for people like Tom Cruise, it's obvious he doesn't do television because he doesn't have to...he's had one of the longest streaks as a box office star, covering five decades. Though it will be interesting to see if he ever does a special guest role on a TV or streaming series when he's older.
Unlike other long-time stars such as Clint Eastwood and John Travolta, Tom Cruise did not get his start on TV. So his whole career as an actor, so far, has been defined by motion pictures. Has he ever done a stage role? He has no credits on the internet broadway database, so I don't think so. It's only been movies for him.
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Post by sepiatone on Dec 31, 2022 17:05:50 GMT
I wanted to foster a discussion about stars that stayed away from television...and what the reasons might have been. That's all.So, cameos in your view, equal "roles"? Sorry. Perhaps the thread should have been called, "Stars who were never seen on any television shows". I considered a "transition" to television to be what I said a bit earlier. Like Fred MacMurray doing MY THREE SONS or Henry Fonda's THE SMITH FAMILY bomb. And Barbara Stanwyck's THE BIG VALLEY. I wouldn't necessarily consider an actor doing a quick walk-on and few minutes being themselves in a cameo a "transition" to television. Back on track: I'm having a hard time finding any others who've never been on TV even in a cameo. Except JOHN GARFIELD, who died in television's infancy. Sepiatone
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Post by topbilled on Dec 31, 2022 17:27:30 GMT
I wanted to foster a discussion about stars that stayed away from television...and what the reasons might have been. That's all.So, cameos in your view, equal "roles"? Sorry. Perhaps the thread should have been called, "Stars who were never seen on any television shows". I considered a "transition" to television to be what I said a bit earlier. Like Fred MacMurray doing MY THREE SONS or Henry Fonda's THE SMITH FAMILY bomb. And Barbara Stanwyck's THE BIG VALLEY. I wouldn't necessarily consider an actor doing a quick walk-on and few minutes being themselves in a cameo a "transition" to television. Back on track: I'm having a hard time finding any others who've never been on TV even in a cameo. Except JOHN GARFIELD, who died in television's infancy. Sepiatone Technically yes, a cameo is a role, so yeah, cameo roles do count. But in Wayne's case, he has quite a bit of screen time in the episode of The Lucy Show he did in 1966, and that is a full guest role.
I think it's a bit rude and discourteous for you to tell someone how to title their thread. What really happened is that you are not familiar with all of John Wayne's television work, and instead of admitting that and using the thread to learn, you started to attack the thread.
Your argument weakens when you decide to go into semantics about the word transition. A star does not have to be the lead in a weekly series to transition to television. Kirk Douglas did not do a weekly series, but he did do a fine TV movie called 'Amos' in 1985 with Elizabeth Montgomery which means he transitioned to television when starring roles on the big screen were few and far between.
I haven't looked at John Garfield's credits...but a lot of stars from the 30s and 40s did try an occasional live TV role. Kay Francis made her last film in 1946 but she does have two live TV credits in 1950 and 1951.
I think for some of them, after the movie careers ended, it was just easier (and more comfortable) to return to the stage if that is where they had started, like Kay Francis did. Others, like Marjorie Main, tried TV and did not like it. She complained about the lack of rehearsal time when she guest-starred on Wagon Train. She disliked the experience so much she never did any other television work.
Of course some of them died before television came into its own...so obviously Jean Harlow and Carole Lombard did not appear on TV, but they might have if they had been around in the 50s or 60s.
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Post by sepiatone on Dec 31, 2022 17:47:25 GMT
Not attacking the thread at all. Just the misleading title. As for Kirk Douglas....
He did an odd characterization of Matthew Brady in a made for TV version of INHERIT THE WIND in 1988. Instead of the bald, slightly portly man Frederic March gave us, Kirk's Brady was a trim long haired presence.
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Post by kim s. on Dec 31, 2022 19:52:03 GMT
how about expanding the topic a little. Who did film first, then tv, then back to film. Steve mcqueen had a small role in SOMEBODY UP THERE LIKES ME, then tv's WANTED DEAD OR ALIVE, then on to MAG 7 AND GREAT ESCAPE. lesser success Clint Walker 10 COMMANDMENTS to tv's CHEYENNE to DIRTY DOZEN and SEND ME NO FLOWERS. After tv, Henry Fonda made ON GOLDEN POND. Did going to tv usually hurt a film career?
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Post by topbilled on Dec 31, 2022 20:22:48 GMT
how about expanding the topic a little. Who did film first, then tv, then back to film. Steve mcqueen had a small role in SOMEBODY UP THERE LIKES ME, then tv's WANTED DEAD OR ALIVE, then on to MAG 7 AND GREAT ESCAPE. lesser success Clint Walker 10 COMMANDMENTS to tv's CHEYENNE to DIRTY DOZEN and SEND ME NO FLOWERS. After tv, Henry Fonda made ON GOLDEN POND. Did going to tv usually hurt a film career? Yes...typically in the 50s, 60s & 70s, going to TV signaled that someone had lost box office clout in feature films and to retain star status, they were now headlining projects on the small screen. This happened to Robert Young in the 1950s, to Barbara Stanwyck in the 1960s and to Karl Malden in the 1970s.
Henry Fonda is a slight exception to the rule as you mentioned...though his TV western The Deputy only lasted two seasons and The Smith Family only lasted one season.
James Garner is the one that seemed to go back and forth with ease. He was a TV star in the 1950s, a movie star in the 1960s, a TV star again in the 1970s, then a movie star again in the 1980s. In later years he was snagging good character roles on both TV and film.
Cybill Shepherd was someone who started as a movie star but was more successful as a TV star though she was able to keep appearing in high profile films for quite awhile.
In the 1980s and 1990s, it was no longer frowned upon for a TV star to graduate to movie star yet continue in a hit TV series. We saw this with Tom Selleck, Ted Danson, Kirstie Alley, Tim Allen and Helen Hunt.
Some went back to TV after finding limited success in movies when they realized the public viewed them as TV stars instead of as movie stars. In this category we have someone like Andy Griffith and Mark Harmon.
Then there were others like Denzel Washington and George Clooney who were popular on TV and struggled to become movie stars, but once they transitioned over fully as movie stars, they could leave TV behind.
Oh and we have that group of movie stars that the public would not accept as TV stars: Julie Andrews' self-titled show Julie failed in 1992. Bette Midler's self-titled sitcom Bette flopped in 2000-01 and she went back to movies. Robin Williams, who originally made a name for himself on the sitcom Mork & Mindy tried to return to television after a slew of hit films and Oscar recognition, but his sitcom The Crazy Ones (2013-14) only lasted a season.
Anyway, there are a lot of variations.
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Post by kim s. on Jan 1, 2023 5:16:42 GMT
any thoughts why some succeeded the transition? I have not seen all Tim Allen films, but he does not seem to have strayed much from his tv persona. Alan Alda seemed to succeed in comedic film roles but not so well straight dramatic.
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