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Post by kims on Apr 19, 2024 20:58:43 GMT
I've lost the thread about film rights and my attempt to find it in the search function was a loss.
Pardon me for posting here.
Streaming TO CATCH A THIEF. First is MGM logo, then the film begins with the Paramount logo.
Paramount has its streaming service-they don't have access to all their films? When did part of their catalogue go to MGM?
Here's another book someone should write: what happened to various catalogues and when.
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Post by topbilled on Apr 19, 2024 21:10:35 GMT
Sometimes films from one studio wind up owned by another studio (and thus become part of that other studio's library) due to remakes.
MAKE ME A STAR (1932) starring Stuart Erwin is a Paramount comedy purchased by MGM as a remake property for Red Skelton-- MERTON OF THE MOVIES (1947).
IT'S A DATE (1940) starring Deanna Durbin is a Universal musical comedy purchased by MGM as a remake property for Jane Powell-- NANCY GOES TO RIO (1950).
SHOW BOAT (1936) starring Irene Dunne is a Universal musical purchased by MGM as a remake property for Kathryn Grayson-- SHOW BOAT (1951).
There are also cases where the rights revert to another studio then to yet another studio. In 1941 RKO made THE SAINT MEETS THE TIGER in England but lost the distribution rights in the U.S., which were purchased by Republic. So this RKO title became a Republic title. But now Paramount controls the entire Republic catalogue, so THE SAINT MEETS THE TIGER has changed ownership again.
A vast number of United Artists films from the 1950s were purchased by Ted Turner and merged with his MGM catalogue rebranded as MGM/UA. So if you watch something like 99 RIVER STREET (1953) which was originally a United Artists release, you will see the MGM lion first then you will see United Artists mentioned on screen.
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Post by topbilled on Apr 19, 2024 21:25:03 GMT
Here's a more complex scenario...
By 1957 RKO had been sold by Howard Hughes, and the new owners General Tire & Rubber, decided they were not interested in continuing production of new films. They would just take the old RKO catalogue (from 1929 to 1957) and air those films on TV along with ads for their company. They sold the studio facilities to Desilu which was expanding its TV operations.
During this transition period there were a bunch of titles that were in the pipeline...where filming had been completed and they were in the editing stages (known as post-production). But General Tire & Rubber had no intention of distributing those films in theaters...and that was beyond the scope of Desilu's operations. So those films, there were about a dozen of them maybe, were leased to other studios.
One was ALL MINE TO GIVE (1957) which was made with the RKO logo, but was distributed through Universal. Another one was JET PILOT (1957) starring John Wayne which had been produced by Howard Hughes in the late 40s/early 50s but he never released it because he was endlessly tinkering with it and still doing re-shoots and editing up till he sold the studio. That picture was also leased to Universal, so it has the RKO logo but was distributed by Universal.
VERBOTEN! directed by Sam Fuller was a last-minute RKO picture, but instead of going to Universal, it was picked up by Columbia for distribution where Fuller had just signed a new deal. It did not make it into theaters until 1959, meaning it became one of the very last 'RKO originals.'
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Post by christine on Apr 20, 2024 15:37:20 GMT
I'm glad this information is being discussed - I've often wondered myself - why a film starts out with one studios logo and then you see another. 🤔
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Post by topbilled on Apr 20, 2024 16:30:23 GMT
I'm glad this information is being discussed - I've often wondered myself - why a film starts out with one studios logo and then you see another. 🤔
Also, as we've seen with Disney's recent acquisition of the 20th Century Fox library, these films are still changing ownership and probably will continue to do so until they are in the public domain. |
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Post by christine on Apr 20, 2024 17:10:54 GMT
I agree topbilled - film libraries will probably continue to change hands.
I wish TCM owned them all!! - and then let us help with the programming!LOL 😆
I will take a look at The Neglected Films Thread you mentioned definitely.
Sometimes when I visit this website I get so lost and into the knowledge that everyone else has, I have to pull myself away so I can get something done during my day - otherwise I could stay here for hours just reading and taking things in - this is definitely one of my passions!!!
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Post by dianedebuda on Apr 20, 2024 18:15:40 GMT
Sometimes when I visit this website I get so lost and into the knowledge that everyone else has, I have to pull myself away so I can get something done during my day - otherwise I could stay here for hours just reading and taking things in - this is definitely one of my passions!!! |
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Post by Fading Fast on Apr 20, 2024 18:18:53 GMT
Sometimes when I visit this website I get so lost and into the knowledge that everyone else has, I have to pull myself away so I can get something done during my day - otherwise I could stay here for hours just reading and taking things in - this is definitely one of my passions!!! |
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Post by gerald424 on Apr 24, 2024 1:30:39 GMT
I wish TCM owned them all!! - and then let us help with the programming!LOL 😆 I would never want one channel to control all classic films. But, I wish it was made more clear who owns what and where it is aired.
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Post by gerald424 on Apr 24, 2024 1:31:22 GMT
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Post by gerald424 on Apr 24, 2024 1:34:37 GMT
Sometimes films from one studio wind up owned by another studio (and thus become part of that other studio's library) due to remakes. Here's an idea if you haven't already did it. Why not a sticky somewhere with a list of the various studios of the classic era and who/where their films are showing these days. We know TCM has many but, not all. There there are channels like MOVIES! That show some other films. But, a comprehensive list might be really helpful.
Something along the lines of your thread about finding classic films elsewhere.
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Post by topbilled on Apr 24, 2024 2:04:40 GMT
Sometimes films from one studio wind up owned by another studio (and thus become part of that other studio's library) due to remakes. Here's an idea if you haven't already did it. Why not a sticky somewhere with a list of the various studios of the classic era and who/where their films are showing these days. We know TCM has many but, not all. There there are channels like MOVIES! That show some other films. But, a comprehensive list might be really helpful.
Something along the lines of your thread about finding classic films elsewhere.
I have been debating starting a channel on YouTube where I can upload classics I want to spotlight that maybe are not anywhere else...but I don't see me doing that until early 2025 as I have so much going on during the next six months. |
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Post by gerald424 on Apr 24, 2024 2:28:26 GMT
That's a neat idea. I think I would be the wrong person to come up with such a list since I don't use a lot of those other streaming platforms and my list would be far from comprehensive. But if someone wants to create a thread to list different places to find classic films, I will happily contribute what knowledge I have! My worry is that if Cable Station X or Streaming Platform X has a specific group of classic films today, who is to say those films will be found there tomorrow, since things can change on a whim.
I have been debating starting a channel on YouTube where I can upload classics I want to spotlight that maybe are not anywhere else...but I don't see me doing that until early 2025 as I have so much going on during the next six months. |
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Post by topbilled on Apr 24, 2024 2:57:29 GMT
That's a neat idea. I think I would be the wrong person to come up with such a list since I don't use a lot of those other streaming platforms and my list would be far from comprehensive. But if someone wants to create a thread to list different places to find classic films, I will happily contribute what knowledge I have! My worry is that if Cable Station X or Streaming Platform X has a specific group of classic films today, who is to say those films will be found there tomorrow, since things can change on a whim.
I have been debating starting a channel on YouTube where I can upload classics I want to spotlight that maybe are not anywhere else...but I don't see me doing that until early 2025 as I have so much going on during the next six months.
It becomes very complex trying to figure what each studio has and where all those things can be found at any given time.
If I create a YouTube channel with uploaded classics, I will include titles from 1930 to 1959 from the main Hollywood studios plus I am fond of Italian melodramas from the 1940s and 1950s, so those will be my focus areas. |
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Post by gerald424 on Apr 24, 2024 4:50:39 GMT
You have a point. I was under the impression that each studio had a particular channel where they would air their films in rotation. Especially the ones TCM doesn't have access to.
If I create a YouTube channel with uploaded classics, I will include titles from 1930 to 1959 from the main Hollywood studios plus I am fond of Italian melodramas from the 1940s and 1950s, so those will be my focus areas. |
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