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Post by galacticgirrrl on Aug 25, 2024 21:33:12 GMT
Hmmm...what exactly constitutes a cover tune?
Ici...la musica è presa in prestito mais les mots sont originaux.
Françoise Hardy "Je changerais d'avis" (live officiel) | Archive INA
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Post by galacticgirrrl on Sept 30, 2024 2:07:26 GMT
Did someone say Leonard Cohen?
David Gilmour - If It Be Your Will (Leonard Cohen Cover from the Von Trapped Series)
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Post by I Love Melvin on Sept 30, 2024 21:46:23 GMT
This version of the Joni Mitchell song was never released on an album but is one of those bonus thingies on a CD compilation.
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Post by BunnyWhit on Oct 1, 2024 20:43:20 GMT
"Just a Gigolo" is a tango with lyric written by Julius Brammer in 1924 and put to music in 1928 by Leonello Casucci (both were Austrian). It was adapted into a popular song by Irving Caesar in 1929. In 1956, Louis Prima recorded the "Just a Gigolo"/"I Ain't Got Nobody" medley (the latter copyrighted in 1915 by Roger Graham and Spencer Williams), and it is his version of the combination that is best known. David Lee Roth had a hit with it as well in the middle 1980s, but though his rendition is entertaining, he ain't no Louis.
Louis Prima -- from The Ed Sullivan Show (May 1959)
David Lee Roth -- heavy rotation on MTV (1985)
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Post by NoShear on Oct 6, 2024 23:48:20 GMT
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Post by I Love Melvin on Oct 7, 2024 12:20:56 GMT
Bryan Ferry covered Dylan several times over the years, then did a whole CD of Dylan covers.
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Post by intrepid37 on Oct 10, 2024 8:03:07 GMT
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Post by NoShear on Oct 11, 2024 15:58:06 GMT
Keith Morris sang about slumming on The Strand:
Keith Morris sang about slumming on The Strand:
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Post by jamesjazzguitar on Oct 11, 2024 19:36:37 GMT
As for what is a cover: Here is the POV from the jazz guitar forum.
A cover is where a musician bases their version of a song on the released version of said song by the original artist (songwriter).
A non-cover is where a musician bases their version of a song on the music as written out using standard musical notation (and not tabular).
A cover tends to stick fairly close to the original version in terms of instruments used, chords played, key center, tempo and style.
A non-cover will vary from the sheet-music, often to a great degree.
Of course, there is a gray-zone; E.g. is there enough variation to call a version of an original artist's song a non-cover?
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Post by I Love Melvin on Oct 22, 2024 12:48:14 GMT
I love this recent Boz Scaggs version of Bob Dylan's reworking of a classic that's been around since the 1920's and has been covered in a number of different genres. It's hypnotic and it really pleases me that he's lost none of his power as a performer.
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Post by jamesjazzguitar on Oct 22, 2024 14:26:09 GMT
I love this recent Boz Scaggs version of Bob Dylan's reworking of a classic that's been around since the 1920's and has been covered in a number of different genres. It's hypnotic and it really pleases me that he's lost none of his power as a performer. From a musical POV I wonder why you believe Scaggs' version has any relationship to the Dylan version. Is a cover, of a cover, of a cover, a cover? |
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Post by I Love Melvin on Oct 22, 2024 17:07:17 GMT
From a musical POV I wonder why you believe Scaggs' version has any relationship to the Dylan version. Is a cover, of a cover, of a cover, a cover? Play them side by side and tell me there isn't a relationship. Dylan incorporated some melody and lyric "borrowed" from a different Robert Johnson song, ("I've got a bird that whistles. I've got a bird that sings") and that's what we hear from Boz, including some of Bob's vocal inflections. There's intentionality there because the album Memphis was Boz's nod to personal favorites from other artists over the years and this was his nod to Dylan. I can't prove it and I don't intend to go down the "What is a cover?" rabbit hole, so you'll just have to take what POV suits you best. Sorry if this sounds contentious, but that seems to be where you're coming from. |
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Post by jamesjazzguitar on Oct 22, 2024 18:11:26 GMT
From a musical POV I wonder why you believe Scaggs' version has any relationship to the Dylan version. Is a cover, of a cover, of a cover, a cover? Play them side by side and tell me there isn't a relationship. Dylan incorporated some melody and lyric "borrowed" from a different Robert Johnson song, ("I've got a bird that whistles. I've got a bird that sings") and that's what we hear from Boz, including some of Bob's vocal inflections. There's intentionality there because the album Memphis was Boz's nod to personal favorites from other artists over the years and this was his nod to Dylan. I can't prove it and I don't intend to go down the "What is a cover?" rabbit hole, so you'll just have to take what POV suits you best. Sorry if this sounds contentious, but that seems to be where you're coming from. Great information. Yea, "what is a cover" is indeed a rabbit hole (and most of the time such discussions don't add much value). But the information you provided here is of much value. I.e. you clearly explained, from a musical POV, that Scaggs' version is indeed a cover of the Dylan cover. (i.e. Scaggs borrowed a lot from Dylan's version). Thus, in this case a cover-of-a-cover, is indeed a cover! While these type of cover-of-a-cover are historically rare, as older musicians are on to what might be their last-stand, I believe we are seeing more musicians go in this direction. (as a way to honor a certain musician\artist). I admit, that this bugs me, in that the actual original songwriter is often ignored and songwriters haven't received enough credit since the 50s. E.g. the media saying someone is doing a cover of the Ray Charles song Georgia! |
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Post by I Love Melvin on Oct 22, 2024 18:20:52 GMT
I admit, that this bugs me, in that the actual original songwriter is often ignored and songwriters haven't received enough credit since the 50s. E.g. the media saying someone is doing a cover of the Ray Charles song Georgia! I couldn't agree more. So many artists lived at a time when music publishers, record companies and agents routinely shafted them on royalties and writing credit that they at least deserve to have credit from later generations who admire their work. Otherwise, we're still exploiting them in death. |
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Post by I Love Melvin on Oct 27, 2024 13:56:12 GMT
One of my favorite 60's bands grew out of the tradition of playing small gigs and dances, before the Beatles kicked it up notch by filling sports arenas, etc. (I saw The Beatles at a horse racetrack and it was as strange as it sounds.) Part of that tradition was having a lot of cover versions (Sorry, james, but I'm going to continue to use "cover" the way I've used it all my life.) at their disposal. You gotta give the people what they want.
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