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Post by I Love Melvin on Feb 29, 2024 22:54:57 GMT
The Rick storyline was a retread in the sense that we saw Truman's m.o. in wooing straight men at work earlier with O'Shea, but in that case John definitely wanted something from Truman and was happy to follow in his wake (at first). Rick not so much. He wouldn't even accept plane fare home because he did OK as an air conditioner repairman in Palm Springs (which I can totally believe). I think Rick showed Truman's power as a raconteur and sympathetic ear even when there wasn't anything on the line for him. As well as being a sexual outlet, it was an example of his fact-gathering instincts, the same thing he tried to instill in Kate by giving her the notebook and telling her to keep her ears open because often the important conversation was at "the other table". Jack Dunphy flippantly referred to Rick as Kid Freon and C.Z. in particular couldn't wait to change the subject away from his work when they had lunch, but it seemed that to Truman Rick was interesting. My impression was that Rick was meant to show that Truman still had a writer's interest even though his heath and clarity of mind were now at risk. I found myself wondering about the bear in the sailor suit too.
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Post by kims on Feb 29, 2024 23:12:50 GMT
I checked Plimpton's book. He called the man Danny to keep his identity anonymous. The people interviewed said he was married with two kids, though the show said he was returning to his fiance. That's an interesting change-protecting Rick's identity? Leamer's book identifies him as Rick McKuen (pseudonym?). No teddy bear mentioned in either book.
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Post by Guest on Mar 1, 2024 1:07:40 GMT
Good point about Truman's fact gathering even when he wasn't writing, I Love Melvin. Interviewing the man who came to fix his garbage disposal shows his writer instinct is still there (as well as his libido).
Thanks kims for posting about the real inspiration for the Rick character, I wondered about that.
I read an article where they talked to Capote's biographer, Gerald Clark, about the FX series. He feels it doesn't do justice to Truman: “Truman comes off as a loathsome human being, a nasty old queen, which he wasn’t,” the 86-year old says... “Truman was lot of fun."
He says how Truman would talk to anyone, "I quote someone in my book who described him as Puck in A Midsummer Night’s Dream. People liked him, and not because he told nasty stories or gossiped about people. He would get gas and go to the same fellow, and they would swap jokes and stories and biographies. He was the same with waiters and waitresses and everybody.”
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Post by I Love Melvin on Mar 2, 2024 22:59:17 GMT
Good point about Truman's fact gathering even when he wasn't writing, I Love Melvin. Interviewing the man who came to fix his garbage disposal shows his writer instinct is still there (as well as his libido). Thanks kims for posting about the real inspiration for the Rick character, I wondered about that. I read an article where they talked to Capote's biographer, Gerald Clark, about the FX series. He feels it doesn't do justice to Truman: “Truman comes off as a loathsome human being, a nasty old queen, which he wasn’t,” the 86-year old says... “Truman was lot of fun." He says how Truman would talk to anyone, "I quote someone in my book who described him as Puck in A Midsummer Night’s Dream. People liked him, and not because he told nasty stories or gossiped about people. He would get gas and go to the same fellow, and they would swap jokes and stories and biographies. He was the same with waiters and waitresses and everybody.” The show is definitely painting Truman as high-maintenance and could certainly do more to show the little kindnesses you mentioned. However contradictory his behavior patterns may have been, he was still the person who wrote some of the most insightful and sensitive prose of the Twentieth Century and that couldn't have come from nowhere and couldn't have entirely disappeared behind the haze of alcohol. In the most recent episode he finally came to the conclusion that "It's official. I'm out of style.", amusingly arrived at when he finds himself in the position of Rick offering to let Truman service him if he'll wait for the commercials while they're watching The Love Boat. But Truman's been working toward that conclusion the whole span of the series and I think the fear of his approaching irrelevance is partly responsible for his acting out in ungenerous and spiteful ways. He tells Kate that his job now is to be outrageous on TV and he has to be disappointed in himself for letting it come to that. Plus the "just a f**" label from Lee must have rankled in the special way an aging gay man feels something like that. Lots pulling him in different directions. One thing which stood out this episode as Truman's travelling pharmacy-in-a-satchel, including a drug not legally available in the U.S. I wonder whether there was any drug swapping among the Swans and Truman. The 1970's was a decade of amateur pharmacological enthusiasts, so I wouldn't be surprised.
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Post by kims on Mar 4, 2024 22:07:29 GMT
Remember Dr. Feelgood? Capote and Lee Radizwill were known "patients". Besides unbelievable organics in Feelgood's concoctions, the main ingredient was amphetamines. If you don't know Dr. Feelgood, look him up. It's jaw-dropping the filth of the man and his lab; the organics he experimented with on his wife, employees and himself. This was before the dangerous side of amphetamines was known.
Joanna Carson was a friend of Capote, didn't they know each by this point in the story? Or have I missed her? I'm guessing Wed. episode should be introducing her.
I agree that Capote is coming off badly now, but he is very physically ill at this point. Maybe the series could have spent more time showing what was endearing about him. I guess the series only attracts an audience knowing who Capote was and we don't need a lot of explanations. To attract an audience not knowing Capote would require fashioning the show as "these are the first Real Housewives"?
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Post by kims on Mar 7, 2024 14:08:23 GMT
Last night's episode seems surreal, full of, what do I call it, hallucinations? I will watch this episode again to try to understand it.
I know this is fiction, but I wanted to ask now-Have any of the families of the swans complained? Because this is a fiction and these people would be considered public figures, there's lots of leeway before you can yell slander or libel. But the stunner, the shocker was Babe's daughter telling Bill maybe she'd visit Babe when she has the death rattle. Is this incident in some biography? So far in the series the only conflict presented between Babe and her daughter was the daughter's embarrassment that Babe was drunk at her birthday party. And then we jump to the daughter refusing to see Babe, maybe when there is the death rattle. I would imagine Fox's legal department okayed the script, but wow! surely there will be some backlash over it.
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Post by Guest on Mar 7, 2024 17:45:17 GMT
I agree, much of last night were scenes of hallucinations brought on by Babe's final stages of terminal cancer and Truman's debilitating addiction. It gives the writers artistic license to make explore any regret the two might have had over their lost friendship.
I wondered about Babe's children, too. The death rattle quote was pretty harsh. I imagine Babe just handed her kids off to the nannies.
I've seen that clip of an inebriated Truman on the talk show barely conscious. Terribly sad. I can't imagine that happening today with handlers and lawyers. The closest thing might be an offensive post on social media.
Joanna Carson might have been a Tab drinking kook who shopped at Pier One (quelle horreur!) but at least she gave Truman a home at the end.
Most importantly: Did anyone eat those decorative bowls of cherries at Babe's memorial?
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Post by kims on Mar 7, 2024 21:34:56 GMT
NEVER eat fruit displayed in the homes of the super rich. It's proof that we are so rich we can use food to decorate and throw away uneaten. Oh my, that was snide of me. All the same if you are in the home of the super rich, it is true do not eat the fruit unless it is offered to you.
Next week is the finale? Ought to be another weird episode since Truman died in this episode.
Back to the Paley kids, like you said Guest, they had nannies and most likely sent to boarding schools. This would be true of their friends also, therefore I'm still puzzled by the lack of explanation of daughter's hate.
The writers do seem to imply Babe regrets abandoning Truman. I've only read Leamer's and Plimpton's books about Capote and there is no indication of regret. Maybe she missed the friendship she thought they had. But not regret. Same as she would not regret firing a servant if one went to the press about her, but regret losing a good servant.
For anyone curious about the ways of the superrich back in the day, Dominick Dunne books are an entertaining source. If you don't like novels, try his more autobiographical THE WAY WE LIVED THEN.
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Post by Guest on Mar 7, 2024 23:31:10 GMT
Good tip if I ever find myself in the home of the super rich! Cherries can be an especially messy fruit to eat. Then there's the issue of what to do with the pit. I hope the cooks or maids got to take them home.
The preview for the finale looks like they are addressing the status of Answered Prayers. Did he write any other chapters? Is there a copy of the completed book hidden in a safe or attic somewhere? It would be fun to think so, but wouldn't we have seen it by now?
I enjoyed reading Dominic Dunne back in the day when when he wrote for Vanity Fair, especially the OJ Simpson trial coverage. The book sounds intriguing...
Speaking of the super rich, I recently saw Gosford Park again on TCM. Lots of upstairs/downstairs and attention to the proper way things are done. And like the Swans,their way of life was going out of fashion. I'd recommend it, if you haven't seen it. A clever script by Julian Fellows with great cast directed by Robert Altman.
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Post by Guest on Mar 14, 2024 20:53:36 GMT
Phantasm Forgiveness, the final episode, gives us their version of what happened to Answered Prayers.
Truman tells Jack that he is finishing Answered Prayers as an apology of sorts to the swans. We see a fictionalized version of the women getting a happy ending, "Kiki" stands in for CZ letting her hair down and having some fun, "Lady Ina Coolbirth" is rewarded with a new love, and he even helps the fictionalized Lee knock off an unwanted husband.
Jessica Lange comes back as the specter of Capote's mother, urging him to take a drink to loosen up his writing. She subtly undercuts his writing as only a mother can do. There's a flashback to his miserable childhood as he's locked in a room while his mother entertains a gentleman caller next door. He's visited by another ghost, Ann Woodward, who tells him that the swans won't appreciate the book and that no matter what he writes. He helped put an end to the swans dated way of life. Truman takes his manuscript and burns it while the ghost of Ann looks on. The scene changes to Truman dying at Joanna Carson's home. Did he imagine all of what came before, that he had indeed finished the book but destroyed it to spare his former friends?
The series ends with the odd but true auction of part of his ashes that Joanna Carson had kept.
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Post by Guest on Mar 15, 2024 17:38:51 GMT
Nothing has been announced but what would you like to see them tackle for Season 3 of the Feud series?
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Post by kims on Mar 15, 2024 22:47:18 GMT
I've heard that sisters Olivia DeHavilland and Joan Fontaine didn't get along-don't know if it rose to the level of a feud.
Parsons and Hopper has been done.
Anne Landers and dear Abby has been done.
How about Steve McQueen and everybody-well, that was an exaggeration. But he shed John Sturges, Norman Jewison and other people he had trusted. Reportedly his paranoia would lead him to treat them brutally.
For the last episode of Capote, that was one episode too many. Personally, I would have liked the series to end with the Key found by Alan Schwartz, Truman's attorney. He couldn't find the safety deposit box it fit--is the manuscript of ANSWERED PRAYERS in some bank?
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Post by Guest on Mar 15, 2024 23:30:59 GMT
I've heard that sisters Olivia DeHavilland and Joan Fontaine didn't get along-don't know if it rose to the level of a feud. Parsons and Hopper has been done. Anne Landers and dear Abby has been done. How about Steve McQueen and everybody-well, that was an exaggeration. But he shed John Sturges, Norman Jewison and other people he had trusted. Reportedly his paranoia would lead him to treat them brutally. For the last episode of Capote, that was one episode too many. Personally, I would have liked the series to end with the Key found by Alan Schwartz, Truman's attorney. He couldn't find the safety deposit box it fit--is the manuscript of ANSWERED PRAYERS in some bank? I like the Olivia and Joan idea. Olivia DeHavilland sued Ryan Murphy over his portrayal of her in the Joan and Bette Feud series. variety.com/2017/tv/news/olivia-de-havilland-feud-lawsuit-fx-ryan-murphy-1202484973/#! I agree that they didn't need that last Capote episode. I'd include b the nutty auction of part of his ashes as part of last week's episode. Yes, maybe just leave the Answered Prayers question ... unanswered.
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Post by I Love Melvin on Mar 16, 2024 23:28:17 GMT
I agree that Joan and Olivia would be a natural fit. As kim said, Louella and Hedda have been done, but not in the kind of multi-episode arc in the Feud series. I remember a network movie-of-the-week called Malice in Wonderland (1985) with Elizabeth Taylor and Jane Alexander, which was fun but wasn't particularly in-depth. The two of them touched virtually all areas of show business in their day and lots of careers were boosted and lots were ruined at their hands. Something which also occurred to me was the "Yoko-broke-up-The-Beatles scenario", because it seems like there were many forces at work there, not the obvious one. Maybe more a toxic, simmering situation than a feud, and The Beatles as personas are maybe too set in the public's mind, unlike longer-ago movie stars. Also, it wouldn't fit Ryan Murphy/s style of creating roles for older actresses, whereas either Joan/Olivia or Louella/Hedda would.
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Post by kims on Mar 17, 2024 1:19:36 GMT
I would like to see how Murphy would handle the Oscar night Joan won when both were nominated. Or do I have that backwards? I continue to watch their films and still don't see much sisterly resemblance. Maybe that's why they both had strong careers. Other brothers or sisters were too interchangeable to have two strong careers?
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