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Post by topbilled on Nov 13, 2022 16:47:09 GMT
So what tends to work better...when a studio remakes one of its own earlier films...like RKO redoing HAT COAT AND GLOVE (1934) as A NIGHT OF ADVENTURE (1944).
Or when a studio buys the rights for a property from another studio to put their own spin on it...like MGM remaking LITTLE WOMEN in 1949 after it had already been a success for RKO in 1933...
Thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2022 22:56:35 GMT
You know how to ask the difficult questions, at least for me. I just turn on channel 789 on Xfinity, sit back and enjoy. I could say I don't care, but you are King at engaging people to expand with their knowledge. I love both The Philadelphia Story and High Society. Is that what you mean by remake? High Society wins because I do love my musicals! Now You Has Jazz is the best! The Shop Around The Corner is a great film. It's a photo finish with In The Good Old Summertime. I've seen both on TCM and was scratching my head with "Summertime." Why does this sound familiar, echoing in-between my ears?
If I had to close my eyes and pick one, I'd say same studio. The Philadelphia Story and High Society are both MGM, right? Imagine someone saying, "Let's make it a musical." In the back of my mind, way in the back, is "The Dueling Cavalier/The Singing Cavalier." So TopBilled, what about A Star Is Born? I'm so not a fan of Taylor Swift, but it enters my pea-brain. I haven't seen the latest with Lady Gaga, but have all the others. Favorite would be Barbra and Kris. Love the music!
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Post by topbilled on Nov 14, 2022 0:08:13 GMT
You know how to ask the difficult questions, at least for me. I just turn on channel 789 on Xfinity, sit back and enjoy. I could say I don't care, but you are King at engaging people to expand with their knowledge. I love both The Philadelphia Story and High Society. Is that what you mean by remake? High Society wins because I do love my musicals! Now You Has Jazz is the best! The Shop Around The Corner is a great film. It's a photo finish with In The Good Old Summertime. I've seen both on TCM and was scratching my head with "Summertime." Why does this sound familiar, echoing in-between my ears?
If I had to close my eyes and pick one, I'd say same studio. The Philadelphia Story and High Society are both MGM, right? Imagine someone saying, "Let's make it a musical." In the back of my mind, way in the back, is "The Dueling Cavalier/The Singing Cavalier." So TopBilled, what about A Star Is Born? I'm so not a fan of Taylor Swift, but it enters my pea-brain. I haven't seen the latest with Lady Gaga, but have all the others. Favorite would be Barbra and Kris. Love the music!
As you said, THE PHILADELPHIA STORY and HIGH SOCIETY are MGM pictures.
How about BALL OF FIRE which was remade into the musical A SONG IS BORN with Danny Kaye? These were Sam Goldwyn productions, released through RKO. |
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Post by mrminiver on Nov 20, 2022 12:24:54 GMT
Any time I see this subject my mind reels and I keep coming to the same 2.
Gaslight and These Three.
While the remake of Gaslight has the star status, the original is equally has good.
As for These Three I'm still torn after all these years. Both good films in their own right.
The original was under the Hays Code and the remake wasn't. Wyler felt he didn't do the original justice and wanted to do another but I'm not sure the remake
accomplished any more.
Granted we're talking about 2 totally different eras in time but this film could have been groundbreaking.
Sad thing is that this film couldn't be made today. Not because of it being PC but because the implications wouldn't nearly have the same impact.
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Post by cmovieviewer on Nov 20, 2022 16:25:43 GMT
I recently listened to a podcast that does a thoughtful analysis of Holiday (1938), and also mentions the previous Holiday (1930) with Ann Harding and Robert Ames. www.theincomparable.com/lts/2/The original was produced by Pathé, while the more famous version was done by Columbia. Criterion went the extra mile and included the 1930 version with their Holiday (1938) blu-ray. Sorry, but Robert Ames is no Cary Grant. |
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Post by topbilled on Nov 20, 2022 16:33:35 GMT
I recently listened to a podcast that does a thoughtful analysis of Holiday (1938), and also mentions the previous Holiday (1930) with Ann Harding and Robert Ames. www.theincomparable.com/lts/2/The original was produced by Pathé, while the more famous version was done by Columbia. Criterion went the extra mile and included the 1930 version with their Holiday (1938) blu-ray. Sorry, but Robert Ames is no Cary Grant. |
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Post by cmovieviewer on Nov 20, 2022 17:14:07 GMT
I recently listened to a podcast that does a thoughtful analysis of Holiday (1938), and also mentions the previous Holiday (1930) with Ann Harding and Robert Ames. www.theincomparable.com/lts/2/The original was produced by Pathé, while the more famous version was done by Columbia. Criterion went the extra mile and included the 1930 version with their Holiday (1938) blu-ray. Sorry, but Robert Ames is no Cary Grant. Yes! I believe he is the one holdover between the 2 films. EEH is always a joy to watch. I am also a fan of Ann Harding - she and Mary Astor are the other notables in the 1930 version. |
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Post by marysara1 on Dec 7, 2022 16:42:48 GMT
You know how to ask the difficult questions, at least for me. I just turn on channel 789 on Xfinity, sit back and enjoy. I could say I don't care, but you are King at engaging people to expand with their knowledge. I love both The Philadelphia Story and High Society. Is that what you mean by remake? High Society wins because I do love my musicals! Now You Has Jazz is the best! The Shop Around The Corner is a great film. It's a photo finish with In The Good Old Summertime. I've seen both on TCM and was scratching my head with "Summertime." Why does this sound familiar, echoing in-between my ears?
If I had to close my eyes and pick one, I'd say same studio. The Philadelphia Story and High Society are both MGM, right? Imagine someone saying, "Let's make it a musical." In the back of my mind, way in the back, is "The Dueling Cavalier/The Singing Cavalier." So TopBilled, what about A Star Is Born? I'm so not a fan of Taylor Swift, but it enters my pea-brain. I haven't seen the latest with Lady Gaga, but have all the others. Favorite would be Barbra and Kris. Love the music!
As you said, THE PHILADELPHIA STORY and HIGH SOCIETY are MGM pictures.
How about BALL OF FIRE which was remade into the musical A SONG IS BORN with Danny Kaye? These were Sam Goldwyn productions, released through RKO. |
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Post by marysara1 on Dec 7, 2022 16:44:12 GMT
You Got Mail another remake.
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Post by Fading Fast on Dec 7, 2022 16:55:46 GMT
One combo that deserves more time than I have now to write in detail about is the 1936 movie "These Three" and the 1961 movie "The Children's Hour," both based on the 1934 Lillian Hellman play "The Children's Hour." Both are outstanding movies and both tell you a lot about society at the time and about what the movie sensors would allow when each movie was made. And the casts in both are phenomenal.
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Post by jamesjazzguitar on Dec 7, 2022 17:01:29 GMT
Very interesting topic but I would have to do a lot of research in order to form an opinion.
Of course most remakes (those that know me, know that I like to use the term adaptation instead) are from the same studio, especially during the studio era (just like the same songs are used over and over again by a studio once they purchased the rights).
I assume the main factor is how the "remake" producers viewed the overall new production; either as a 'we already owned the rights, and have a screen play,,, give someone a few weeks to "improve" the existing screenplay,,,, bring these actors, and this crew, who are not working on anything else and advise the director to bang someone out in a few weeks,,, OR ,,,, this was a solid original story so lets provide it to our "A" crew, giving this story the attention that was lacking when first done, and really set out to make a high quality film.
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Post by sepiatone on Dec 7, 2022 17:23:09 GMT
Then there's MY FAVORITE WIFE('40) and MOVE OVER DARLING('63) the first by RKO and the next by 20th Century Fox. I like both.
And maybe in a not so big crowd,I also like LADY FOR A DAY('33) and remake POCKET FULL OF MIRACLES('61) equally. The first from Columbia, and the 2nd from United Artists.
Sepiatone
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Post by marysara1 on Dec 7, 2022 17:51:46 GMT
Doris was in many remakes Man Who Knew Too Much was a remake. Young At Heart was a remake of Four Daughters.
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Post by jamesjazzguitar on Dec 7, 2022 20:13:40 GMT
One combo that deserves more time than I have now to write in detail about is the 1936 movie "These Three" and the 1961 movie "The Children's Hour," both based on the 1934 Lillian Hellman play "The Children's Hour." Both are outstanding movies and both tell you a lot about society at the time and about what the movie sensors would allow when each movie was made. And the casts in both are phenomenal. The number of years between the films is a primary reason why I don't define a "remake" as a remake; Changes in societal norms, and censorship (e.g. enforcement of Production Code) can have a major impact on the screenplay and direction. These two adaptations of The Children's Hour are prime examples (actually the best I can think of); While the basic plot is very similar the differences 25 years can make to how a movie is constructed are clearly visible here. Thus when I'm asked "which version do I like more?", I punt. |
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Post by gerald424 on Dec 16, 2022 4:13:52 GMT
One combo that deserves more time than I have now to write in detail about is the 1936 movie "These Three" and the 1961 movie "The Children's Hour," both based on the 1934 Lillian Hellman play "The Children's Hour." Both are outstanding movies and both tell you a lot about society at the time and about what the movie sensors would allow when each movie was made. And the casts in both are phenomenal. The number of years between the films is a primary reason why I don't define a "remake" as a remake; Changes in societal norms, and censorship (e.g. enforcement of Production Code) can have a major impact on the screenplay and direction. These two adaptations of The Children's Hour are prime examples (actually the best I can think of); While the basic plot is very similar the differences 25 years can make to how a movie is constructed are clearly visible here. Thus when I'm asked "which version do I like more?", I punt.
The best example of this to me is The Big Sleep (1946) vs. The Big Sleep (1978).
Because the original story involves drug use, homosexuality, mental illness and pornography, the 1946 version had to very obliquely hint at these themes to pass the censors. Which is part of why its so confusing.
I had to watch the 1978 version to understand the 1946 version. Because by 1978, there was no code. And these themes could be made clear.
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