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Post by Cinemaniac on Dec 21, 2023 2:39:57 GMT
I Love Melvin -
Thanks for some helpful hints and this movie. I'm not familiar with that version of "THE BLUE ANGEL", nor do I recall ever seeing it on TCM, or any other channel for that matter. As I figured, the movie I had in mind may possibly be an MGM picture. It very likely one of the studio's musicals of their massive film library. Unless the woman I'm thinking of was a blonde-haired Cyd Charisse (who I've read used to heavily chew gum to help improve the structure of her chin/jawline), or else Lana Turner (a regular blonde-haired actress), or even Gloria DeHaven (she would either be a blonde, a redhead, or more commonly, a brunette), then I'll just have to continue relying on luck to help me find this movie. I just know "GUN GLORY", a Western starring Stewart Granger, is the only MGM picture that comes to mind with Rhonda Fleming.
Andrea -
I love those pretty pictures of Rhonda Fleming! The first picture of yours is actually not from the early part of her career, but more likely from the 1970s; perhaps around the time of her appearance on "THE LOVE BOAT". A very nice picture, nonetheless! That second picture of yours looks like it's from "OUT OF THE PAST" in a scene with Robert Mitchum. That third picture of her is one stunning head shot portrait! I don't know if that's from any movie in particular, or if it's just a publicity photo, but it's still a very pretty picture of Rhonda Fleming!
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Post by Cinemaniac on Dec 22, 2023 21:55:57 GMT
WHAT A COINCIDENCE! Last night, I saw an episode of "WHAT'S MY LINE?" with Rhonda Fleming as the mystery guest! Host John Charles Daly purposely started the questioning with Bennett Cerf, knowing he'd start going nuts trying to hold back from lusting over Rhonda's sexy voice. Rhonda actually tried disguising her voice with a sultry Scarlett O'Hara-type of dialect. Knowing that little goofball, Mr. Cerf was echoing a similar Southern-based accent just to show off for an unquestionably pretty lady. Most of the time, I figure Bennett would either be engaging in a lunch meeting with some so-and-so in the industry who would let him in on the next week's mystery guest, or else he would have pin holes pierced in his blindfold. Apparently, he had a feeling the guest was Rhonda, since it had been stated that he guessed her name within the past three weeks. If this program was broadcast in color, you'd see the vivid hue of blushing red on Mr. Cerf's face. I also happened to come across an episode of "WAGON TRAIN" the night before with Rhonda playing a schoolmarm out west. She is a rather versatile actress, considering how she can play rather modest and conservatively poised women, yet can present herself as arousing and voluptuous in movies, as well as photographs (check the second picture above for visual proof of this statement). As for the speculations of either Gloria DeHaven or Cyd Charisse appearing in this movie I'm still hoping to identify, here are two pictures of these women as blondes - Gloria DeHaven Cyd Charisse The women in both of these pictures look as though they were very likely the actress in that movie. That picture of Cyd looks more 1960s-ish, and looking at her highly defined chin, that's just proof she really liked to chew gum (we just need some footage for proof). In regards to I Love Melvin's assumption that the woman in the movie I'm trying to identify is portrayed as "slutty" (although I pretty much came under the impression that would likely be the case), I would figure she was more so a seductress-type playing the image as less hard core in order to stay true to the motion picture code. As for the gum-chewing trait, there are many women in classic movie roles who appeared this way on screen whether or not they were portrayed as "easy" or just happened to come off in this sort of way. - Ginger Rogers in "ROXIE HART" - Rosalind Russell in "THE WOMEN" - Virginia Mayo in "WHITE HEAT" - Joan Leslie in "THE HARD WAY" - Ann Miller in "STAGE DOOR" and "YOU CAN'T TAKE IT WITH YOU" - Dorothy Lamour in "THE FLEET'S IN" and "THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH" - Joan Blondell in various movies - Iris Adrian in just about ANY movie she'd be in - Susan Hayward in some movie where she's in jail (not "I WANT TO LIVE", mind you, but an earlier film of hers that I've never seen, but is vaguely remembered by a friend of mine who claims it was either Hayward or maybe even Maureen O' Sullivan, but this shall remain a mystery for another day) - Joanne Dru in some scene where she appears as some floozy sitting at a bar counter conversing with some man (again, don't know the movie it's just a vague recollection; the actress may not be Ms. Dru, but maybe someone like Ruth Roman) These are just a few observations I recall. Let me know if I've left out any others. I'm not claiming that any of these women are who I'm trying to think of, I'm justifying the fact that certain actresses who appear to be chewing gum on screen were not always portrayed as a floozy and would happen to chew gum as a character trait or just incidentally out of habit.
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Post by Cinemaniac on Jan 8, 2024 23:56:09 GMT
Yesterday on TCM's "NOIR ALLEY", a movie titled "PICKUP" was shown. In it was an actress named Beverly Michaels, who only made at least five movies in her acting career. If she starred in other films and was a musical actress, then I would figure she was the actress in the movie I'm trying to identify. She looked like the type I've described numerous times thus far (light blonde hair, gum chewing, sexy image), although I know for sure she wasn't the actress I'm thinking of, but she very easily could have been.
Incidentally, and not to get off topic, but the with the mention of "NOIR ALLEY", is anyone interested in buying Eddie Muller's new children's book about the cat detective? It seems pretty interesting.
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Post by topbilled on Jan 9, 2024 0:02:23 GMT
Did you consider Diana Dors? Or Cleo Moore?
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Post by Cinemaniac on Jan 9, 2024 0:08:52 GMT
I believe Diana was in some musicals, although they were very likely British films. The movie I'm still trying to look for was definitely a Hollywood picture (very likely from either MGM or Fox). I'm not to familiar with Cleo, although if she were to be in a musical, her voice would have been dubbed. As I said, this movie was likely a musical, and the only part of it I've seen is the part I've been describing. Those are pretty good guesses, TopBilled, and I appreciate your help. For those folks like Andrea Doria, Fading Fast, and I Love Melvin who've been fond of my pictures of Rhonda Fleming, here's just one more to make these chilly winter days seem less cold and more hot - This picture is very similar to one I've presented here already, but isn't her smiling face of laughter just ADORABLE?! As far as it goes with me thinking Rhonda Fleming appeared on screen chewing gum and with blonde hair, I just may have gotten things mixed up, if this was a scene of her from another film or TV show. I don't suppose anyone could help me out with this one. I've read somewhere that Rhonda used to chew gum often to freshen her breath after smoking when speaking before others (that must have helped a lot since she'd "breathe" her words out in a sexual manner), plus as a way to help whiten her smile and (just like Cyd Charisse) strengthen her jawline muscles to improve her beauty (look at how much broader and firmer her chin is in the "bath towel" picture above compared to the others).
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Post by Fading Fast on Jan 9, 2024 0:44:43 GMT
... Incidentally, and not to get off topic, but the with the mention of "NOIR ALLEY", is anyone interested in buying Eddie Muller's new children's book about the cat detective? It seems pretty interesting. I bought the book for a friend's daughter and the color I got back from the mom is the book is a good, not great, kids book, but it doesn't have an adult subtext (which is what I was hoping Muller put in). They live in another state, so I haven't read it.
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Post by kims on Jan 9, 2024 1:12:44 GMT
I'm still considering buying Eddie's book. I like the artwork shown in his promo.
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Post by I Love Melvin on Jan 10, 2024 17:37:26 GMT
Yesterday on TCM's "NOIR ALLEY", a movie titled "PICKUP" was shown. In it was an actress named Beverly Michaels, who only made at least five movies in her acting career. If she starred in other films and was a musical actress, then I would figure she was the actress in the movie I'm trying to identify. She looked like the type I've described numerous times thus far (light blonde hair, gum chewing, sexy image), although I know for sure she wasn't the actress I'm thinking of, but she very easily could have been. Incidentally, and not to get off topic, but the with the mention of "NOIR ALLEY", is anyone interested in buying Eddie Muller's new children's book about the cat detective? It seems pretty interesting. OMG. I forgot about Beverly Michaels. She starred in one of my favorite bad girl movies of all time, Wicked Woman (1953), which Eddie has also shown. It's a cheapo rip-off of The Postman Always Rings Twice with Michaels as an itinerant waitress who tries to get the bartender to off his wife who owns the bar. She had the strangest delivery, with a totally flattened affect and deadpan style, making her a lot of fun to watch. This was an independent production released by United Artists and I doubt she got anywhere near a major studio; I also doubt she'd be capable of a musical performance, so I don't think she's your gal. But the name triggered some fond memories so I wanted to respond. And then there's the best bad girl movie ever, Samuel Fuller's The Naked Kiss (1964), with Constance Towers (also blonde) as a prostitute turned candy-striper at a children's hospital, Don't ask. Fuller paid an homage to Wicked Woman by using the shot of a pair of legs descending the stairs of a bus in a new town to kick off the story.
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Post by Cinemaniac on Jan 11, 2024 0:12:11 GMT
I Love Melvin -
The first time I've ever seen Bev Michaels was in "WICKED WOMAN", and sure enough it was the last time (as far as I know) that TCM has ever played it during "NOIR ALLEY". That movie with Constance Towers (who I've just recently seen on an episode of "PERRY MASON") would be an interesting choice for "NOIR ALLEY", especially since Eddie Muller argues that the noir genre had officially faded out by the end of the 1950s, and that film, "THE NAKED KISS", is from 1964.
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Post by Fading Fast on Jan 11, 2024 0:26:59 GMT
I love "Wicked Woman" the way I like Seven-Eleven Slurpees with vodka added in on a hot summer day - in the white-trashiest way possible.
My comment on it here: "Wicked Woman"
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Post by Cinemaniac on Jan 11, 2024 0:40:15 GMT
I have to admit, that picture of Beverly Michaels is just about anything but "classy". Unlike these other actresses I've previously mentioned above such as Rhonda Fleming, Cyd Charisse, and Gloria DeHaven (all of whom are pictured), Bev could be provocative without any form of classiness.
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Post by I Love Melvin on Jan 11, 2024 13:24:30 GMT
I love "Wicked Woman" the way I like Seven-Eleven Slurpees with vodka added in on a hot summer day - in the white-trashiest way possible.
My comment on it here: "Wicked Woman"
'Fess up, Fading Fast. It was the beret that did it for you, wasn't it? I've never seen one worn quite like that, so Beverly should go straight to the head of the class. And I laughed out loud at your description of her not so much carrying the movie as dragging it along like a baby blanket. Perfect! Back in the 1970's a friend who managed the local revival house had a birthday party every year at the theater with a private showing and Wicked Woman was so popular he had to put it on the regular bill. I'm not sure where I heard this...probably Eddie Muller... but Percy Helton was really proud of this movie and considered it his best work. OK.
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Post by Fading Fast on Jan 11, 2024 13:33:37 GMT
I love "Wicked Woman" the way I like Seven-Eleven Slurpees with vodka added in on a hot summer day - in the white-trashiest way possible.
My comment on it here: "Wicked Woman"
'Fess up, Fading Fast. It was the beret that did it for you, wasn't it? I've never seen one worn quite like that, so Beverly should go straight to the head of the class. Good catch on the beret. I was too overwhelmed with her slatternly appeal to notice it independently, but it probably, as you noted, worked on my subconscious libido. I should post it over in the "clothing" thread as an update to the beret theme.
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Post by I Love Melvin on Jan 11, 2024 13:36:39 GMT
'Fess up, Fading Fast. It was the beret that did it for you, wasn't it? I've never seen one worn quite like that, so Beverly should go straight to the head of the class. Good catch on the beret. I was too overwhelmed with her slatternly appeal to notice it independently, but it probably, as you noted, worked on my subconscious libido. I should post it over in the "clothing" thread as an update to the beret theme. Yes, you should post it there, but maybe include a "mature themes" warning.
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Post by Cinemaniac on Jan 12, 2024 0:22:40 GMT
Gosh, I'm sometimes forgetting that this original topic was about some movie and actress I needed identified, and then evolves into a discussion about such an underrated B-movie actress. Nonetheless, it's good to see Beverly Michaels receiving the appreciation she has long deserved.
If anyone on these boards just happen to read any of the preceding messages of mine regarding this unknown film, please note that the post regarding actresses seen chewing gum on film mentions two unidentified movies each regarding Susan Hayward and Joanne Dru (although I seem to recall it also being Ruth Roman). Those could both be saved as a mystery for another day. That is unless anyone just happens to know of these movies.
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