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Post by topbilled on Oct 24, 2024 13:43:02 GMT
Additional note on Johnny Carson, he was well-known for being a homophobe. There is a very good interview with Wayne Newton on the website of the Television Academy Foundation. Newton says Carson kept taking jabs at him, monologue after monologue, implying he (Newton) was gay, making Newton the constant butt of homophobic jokes.
So one day Newton has enough and flies into L.A. on business. Newton makes a point of driving to the NBC studios at Burbank and going to Carson's office. One of Carson's producers is in the outer office and recognizes Newton right away. Newton says he's come to see Carson, the secretary says Carson is busy...but Newton replies this can't wait and Carson should be expecting him anyway.
Then Newton proceeds directly into Carson's office and punches him out, and tells Carson he will never make another gay joke about Newton again on the air. Supposedly the producer and secretary were speechless and Carson didn't fight back, because he realized he deserved it and was licked.
Newton wraps up the anecdote by saying that Johnny Carson was a horrible man. Basically, he had no regrets punching him out and probably would've done it again if necessary!
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Post by christine on Oct 24, 2024 16:53:20 GMT
Topbilled, I prefer to look at people and their lives on the positive side, especially stars and entertainers of the past.
In my opinion, we're all human beings which means we all have flaws. Entertainers of every generations have things in their personal or professional lives that others don't agree with. I like to think of this Classic Film Forum as a way to celebrate their contributions as entertainers.
I view Johnny Carson with a smile because my Grandmother loved to watch his show and got a lot of happiness doing so. My Grandmother was a first generation immigrant from Czechoslovakia. She was sent to American by her family when she was 16 to find a job and make money so the rest of her family could join her. She worked very hard her whole life - on the farm and in the gardens (I learned how to garden from her when I was little). At the end of the day, when she was older, she would watch Johnny and his guests. She laughed and sooo enjoyed herself. For this I thank Johnny Carson. He brought a lot of joy into my Grandmother's life - and I'm sure into a few others lives as well.
I will continue to look at the positive side of entertainers, stories, films and the people who make them, because it's their contributions that have given the rest of us this wonderful art form!
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Post by topbilled on Oct 24, 2024 17:01:21 GMT
Topbilled, I prefer to look at people and their lives on the positive side, especially stars and entertainers of the past. In my opinion, we're all human beings which means we all have flaws. Entertainers of every generations have things in their personal or professional lives that others don't agree with. I like to think of this Classic Film Forum as a way to celebrate their contributions as entertainers. I view Johnny Carson with a smile because my Grandmother loved to watch his show and got a lot of happiness doing so. My Grandmother was a first generation immigrant from Czechoslovakia. She was sent to American by her family when she was 16 to find a job and make money so the rest of her family could join her. She worked very hard her whole life - on the farm and in the gardens (I learned how to garden from her when I was little). At the end of the day, when she was older, she would watch Johnny and his guests. She laughed and sooo enjoyed herself. For this I thank Johnny Carson. He brought a lot of joy into my Grandmother's life - and I'm sure into a few others lives as well. I will continue to look at the positive side of entertainers, stories, films and the people who make them, because it's their contributions that have given the rest of us this wonderful art form! I guess we will differ on this point. I won't give Johnny Carson a free pass ever. I think too much of his humor was derisive, mocking people that he looked down on...maybe not full-on politically incorrect, but most of it not necessary and damaging. For every person like your grandmother who enjoyed him, there were people who felt belittled watching him. That is not ever going to be a cool thing in my book.
What I loved about Wayne Newton's story is that it is about self-empowerment, standing up to the bully. And sorry, but Johnny Carson was a bully. I think he died a bitter and lonely man, having alienated a lot of people in the business and people in his personal life. I don't need to continue to condemn him, because I believe he faced the consequences of his actions. But I won't deify him as some great entertainer. The biggest problem I have with him is that I didn't find him funny. I think he found himself funny, which means in addition to his unkindness towards others, he was arrogant...and that is not at all to my liking. Never will be.
There are plenty of other good people who can bring joy into our lives. And my grandmother (father's mother) also ran a farm. There were different people she enjoyed watching.
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Post by kims on Oct 24, 2024 19:43:31 GMT
I don't disagree with either Topbilled or Christine. Johnny during the last years of the TONIGHT SHOW, had rather mean tendencies in his monologues. Compare to the first 20 years monologues. He also seemed to make fun of and insult some of the quirky guests booked on the show, like the woman with the potato chips shaped like animals or people, the woman with the fruitcakes. He also frequently insulted McDonalds. And he could be quite inappropriate with beautiful female guests (that may be the product of his generation which tended to believe women wanted that.)
But he had good guests - how else to see George Segal play his banjo-slapstick antics with Burt Reynolds-Bob Hope, Dean, Bette Davis, and Joan Crawford (I believe she was on the first TONIGHT SHOW he hosted.
In private Johnny was apparently not a sterling character. And it doesn't affect my ability to enjoy watching the shows. In the same way I don't let the truth about some actors' lives affect my ability to lust after their screen personas. There, I've admitted that I have lusted.
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Post by BunnyWhit on Oct 24, 2024 20:18:40 GMT
Happy Birthday, Merian C. Cooper! (24 October 1893 -- 21 April 1973)
Happy Birthday, Tony Walton! (24 October 1934 -- 2 March 2022)
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Post by topbilled on Oct 25, 2024 2:35:48 GMT
Re: Wayne Newton...it was an interview with Larry King on Larry's show.
He says Johnny Carson was a mean-spirited human being:
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Post by christine on Oct 25, 2024 5:47:41 GMT
Remembering/Celebrating Leo G. Carroll (October 25, 1886 - October 16, 1972) - actor.
Also, Helen Reddy (October 25, 1941 - September 29, 2020) - singer, actress, television host and activist.
Finally, Marion Ross (October 25, 1928) - actress.
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Post by sagebrush on Oct 25, 2024 10:55:25 GMT
Remembering the lovely and talented Barbara Cook, who was born October 25th, 1927. What a voice!
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Post by BunnyWhit on Oct 26, 2024 0:57:02 GMT
Happy Birthday, Pablo Picasso! (25 October 1881 -- 8 April 1973)
Happy Birthday, Abel Gance! (25 October 1889 -- 10 November 1981)
Happy Birthday, Whit Bissell! (25 October 1909 -- 5 March 1996)
Happy Birthday, Sarah Ophelia "Minnie Pearl" Colley! (25 October 1912 -- 4 March 1996)
Happy Birthday, Billy Barty! (25 October 1924 -- 23 December 2000)
Happy Birthday, Eugene "Porky" Lee! (25 October 1933 -- 16 October 2005)
Happy Birthday, Nancy Cartwright! (25 October 1957)
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Post by christine on Oct 26, 2024 6:15:35 GMT
Remembering/Celebrating Mahalia Jackson (October 26, 1911 - January 27, 1972) - singer.
Also, Jaclyn Smith (October 26, 1945) - actress.
Finally, Rita Wilson (October 26, 1956) - actress, singer and producer.
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Post by sagebrush on Oct 26, 2024 12:42:09 GMT
Remembering a couple of gentlemen who were born on October 26th:
H.B. Warner (born 1876)
Jackie Coogan (born 1914)
and Bob Hoskins (born 1942).
Also, Happy Birthday to Cary Elwes (born 1962)!
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Post by christine on Oct 27, 2024 6:57:19 GMT
Remembering/Celebrating Jack Carson (October 27, 1910 - January 2, 1963) - actor.
John Cleese (October 27, 1939) - actor, comedian, screenwriter and producer.
Ruby Dee (October 27, 1922 - June 11, 2014) - actress, poet, playwright, screenwriter, journalist and activist.
Nanette Fabray (October 27, 1920 - February 22, 2018) - actress, singer and dancer.
Also, Teresa Wright (October 27, 1918 - March 6, 2005) - actress.
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Post by sagebrush on Oct 27, 2024 13:09:45 GMT
Remembering a couple of gentlemen who were born on October 27th:
Leif Erickson (born 1911)
and Ivan Reitman (born 1946).
Also, Happy Birthday to Roberto Benigni (born 1952)!
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Post by BunnyWhit on Oct 27, 2024 18:53:03 GMT
Happy Birthday, Enid Bagnold! (27 October 1889 -- 31 March 1981)
Happy Birthday, Dylan Thomas! (27 October 1914 -- 9 November 1953)
Happy Birthday, Harry Saltzman! (27 October 1915 -- 28 September 1994)
Happy Birthday, Sylvia Plath! (27 October 1932 -- 11 February 1963)
Happy Birthday, Peter Firth! (27 October 1953)
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Post by christine on Oct 28, 2024 5:42:15 GMT
Remembering/Celebrating Jane Alexander (October 28, 1939) - actress and author.
Edith Head (October 28, 1897 - October 24, 1981) - costume designer.
Elsa Lanchester (October 28, 1902 - December 26, 1986) - theatre, film and television actress.
Suzy Parker (October 28, 1932 - May 3, 2003) - model and actress.
Also, Julia Roberts (October 28, 1967) - actress.
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