|
|
Post by BunnyWhit on Oct 2, 2024 19:18:49 GMT
One thing I failed to mention --
It was not uncommon for ladies' woven hats, especially in the later 1930s through about the middle 1950s, to be coated for shine. Now, I don't know if they used shellac or what, but you definitely know it when you see it today on a vintage hat because it often has flaked away in places.
|
|
|
|
Post by I Love Melvin on Oct 2, 2024 23:16:37 GMT
Why, I Love Melvin, you certainly don't need me -- the "weirdly pancake-shaped beret-y thing" is actually called a pancake hat!
Oh, but I do need you. We all do, and this most recent tutorial is why, so sign me up for another semester at least; on my own I never could have differentiated between straw and raffia, especially while distracted by your cute bovine model. Naturally, my literal mind went to the only other movie refence I can remember, the fashion show in How to Marry a Millionaire with the outfit "Double Frozen Daquiri": "You'll notice the Egyptian influence in the bizarre raffia hat." I could only find it as an inferior image included in this one still photograph, in the upper left. I know this meager show-and-tell pales next to your mother lode of pertinent info, but I love the 50's-ness of all these outfits and I can't stop myself.  |
|
|
|
Post by BunnyWhit on Oct 3, 2024 1:08:50 GMT
Why, I Love Melvin, you certainly don't need me -- the "weirdly pancake-shaped beret-y thing" is actually called a pancake hat!
Oh, but I do need you. We all do, and this most recent tutorial is why, so sign me up for another semester at least; on my own I never could have differentiated between straw and raffia, especially while distracted by your cute bovine model. Naturally, my literal mind went to the only other movie refence I can remember, the fashion show in How to Marry a Millionaire with the outfit "Double Frozen Daquiri": "You'll notice the Egyptian influence in the bizarre raffia hat." I could only find it as an inferior image included in this one still photograph, in the upper left. I know this meager show-and-tell pales next to your mother lode of pertinent info, but I love the 50's-ness of all these outfits and I can't stop myself. |
|
|
|
Post by I Love Melvin on Oct 3, 2024 11:58:19 GMT
Oooo.....excellent! I'd forgotten this scene included the descriptions. I'm going to have to watch this again; Travilla's designs are beautiful throughout. I was going to post the scene but had a vague memory of already having done so. The descriptions are great and I have to confess that I now hear this woman's voice in my head when I read your descriptions; both are so distinct and authoritative. I checked IMDb and "Madame" is Hermine Sterler, a German actress who only did a few movie roles in this country, but this appearance made her a star in my eyes. Also, the scene includes the sublimely elegant Lauren Bacall uttering the word "chowderhead" and poor Marilyn bumping into the scenery, so it's woth watching for that too. |
|
|
|
Post by BunnyWhit on Oct 3, 2024 14:54:46 GMT
Oooo.....excellent! I'd forgotten this scene included the descriptions. I'm going to have to watch this again; Travilla's designs are beautiful throughout. I was going to post the scene but had a vague memory of already having done so. The descriptions are great and I have to confess that I now hear this woman's voice in my head when I read your descriptions; both are so distinct and authoritative. I checked IMDb and "Madame" is Hermine Sterler, a German actress who only did a few movie roles in this country, but this appearance made her a star in my eyes. Also, the scene includes the sublimely elegant Lauren Bacall uttering the word "chowderhead" and poor Marilyn bumping into the scenery, so it's woth watching for that too. |
|
|
|
Post by NoShear on Oct 4, 2024 17:30:05 GMT
Please, no fretting. I lean towards "it's best to find the humor." Yes, as of late Saturday in my county there are 11 deaths so far all from drowning because people didn't evacuate when told to. Here's my serious moment. My county had 6 foot surge and we were 100 miles from the eye of Helene. Unfortunately, 5 - 8 foot predicted surge didn't sound like much and people thought they could weather it. But 6 foot surge for those at the beach communities equals refridgerators toppled, floodwater 4 foot high in the house, losing all memorabilia and drowning. After all a wall of 6 ft of water hits like a brick wall. I'm only dealing with yard cleanup and mosquitos. If life were fair, mosquitos would be swept away with the hurricane  My neighborhood is 27 feet above sea water, we didn't even lose power. There's an Indiana tribe which in Hurricane season came here from the east coast of Florida. They must have known something. So keep cheerful and fun. Maybe a photo of someone being swarmed by mosquitos would be appropriate. P.S. found a few bits of my neighbors fence in my shrubs, Coincidentally, kims, it was an Indian-related post I removed in respect to your situation which I hope has greatly improved for you by the time you read this... The Indian tribe's sympatico with nature you mentioned is also something of a coincidence to me as I recently watched soldier blue (1970): There's a scene where some Cheyenne start a brief brushfire, and this reminded me of the backburning said to have been employed, if I'm not mistaken, by Plains tribes to suppress wildfires long before the formation of the USFS. |
|
|
|
Post by I Love Melvin on Oct 6, 2024 14:16:11 GMT
I know I'm back-treading here, but TCM just showed Lovely to Look At (1952), MGM's remake of Roberta, and it featured an extensive Adrian fashion show. These are some brief clips from it, coupled with clips of his fashions for Sweethearts (1938), MGM's first Technicolor feature. There's a bathing costume with head cover and hat (Straw? Raffia?) which also seems to have a bizarre Egyptian influence, so I'm going to use that as my justification for posting.
|
|
|
|
Post by Fading Fast on Oct 6, 2024 14:25:07 GMT
I know I'm back-treading here, but TCM just showed Lovely to Look At (1952), MGM's remake of Roberta, and it featured an extensive Adrian fashion show. These are some brief clips from it, coupled with clips of his fashions for Sweethearts (1938), MGM's first Technicolor feature. There's a bathing costume with head cover and hat (Straw? Raffia?) which also seems to have a bizarre Egyptian influence, so I'm going to use that as my justification for posting.
|
|
|
|
Post by I Love Melvin on Oct 6, 2024 15:01:46 GMT
They look a bit like tiny flying saucers landed on their heads.
I can't believe you came up with that photo. The 1950's were all about flying saucers, so I'm sure you're right about the influence. This one's also reflective, so maybe raffia?, but so reflective that it almost looks like plastic (also very 1950's). Help, Bunny!! |
|
|
|
Post by BunnyWhit on Oct 6, 2024 22:38:09 GMT
They look a bit like tiny flying saucers landed on their heads.
I can't believe you came up with that photo. The 1950's were all about flying saucers, so I'm sure you're right about the influence. This one's also reflective, so maybe raffia?, but so reflective that it almost looks like plastic (also very 1950's). Help, Bunny!!
Even in the short fashion show scene, I really can't tell. The lights shining down on top of the hats, plus the rippled light reflecting up off the water below is doing some crazy things with the lighting, and you don't get to see the tops of those hats clearly either. At the risk of getting it completely wrong, let's do some deducing.
First, I'll say that in this day these still would have been called coolie hats, which today is considered a derogatory term. Though you do still see them called this (especially in those made of performance fibers for fishing and the like), I prefer to use the Vietnamese term, nón lá. All of the Asian communities have a different name for this conical hat, but I choose to use nón lá because it is easiest for me to remember and pronounce. There is a large Vietnamese population where I live, and both of the Asian markets I frequent offer these hats of bamboo for sale.
(Digression: If you've never eaten Vietnamese cuisine, I can only feel sad for you. We have several Vietnamese restaurants that are very good, and a few that are outstanding, plus I make a few dishes at home. Yum. Just, YUM!)
Anyhoo.....
These hats are certainly an excellent choice to go with the Asian-inspired outfits they are accessorizing. Kudos to Adrian on this. I don't know if it's the play of the light, but it looks to me like the straw-colored hat has color variances and is a coarser weave than the white one. I'm thinking perhaps it's bamboo. The nice thing about this coarser weave with the lace ensemble is that these two pronounced textures would really compliment each other.
The white hat is definitely a much finer texture to go with the smooth, light weight, fabric (silk? cotton lawn? rayon? even tropical wool?) I'm going to call this one either straw or fabric. When she touches the edges of the hat, it looks to me like it dips in as fabric would, so that's what I'm going with here.
As I said at the outset, these are guesses, so it certainly would not surprise me if both hats turned out to be something else. That's just what I seem to spy with my little eye.
|
|
|
|
Post by I Love Melvin on Oct 6, 2024 22:48:11 GMT
Thanks for that breakdown and for the educated guesses. I trust your "little eye" implicitly, as usual.
|
|
|
|
Post by NoShear on Oct 7, 2024 17:53:34 GMT
It appears to be boiled wool, like a letterman's jacket, FadingFast. Is that what you see? And what about that adorable blouse on Madge
I love the hexagonal buttons on Madge's jacket. It looks like suede; is that how it reads in the film? And her hair is darling!
I agree with you about the baseball uniforms. Anyone who doesn't immediately conjure a mental image of a uni like this (or from an even earlier time) is OUTTA THERE!
 .
Madge Evan's clothes are adorable throughout in this one - and agreed, the hexagonal buttons are fantastic. Plus, look at those gloves (!) in your fist picture. Her hair is so permeant wave 1930s iconic - just wonderful.
  
I know baseball uniforms evolve, but the one thing I don't like today is the untucked pants legs.
 Fading Fast, of Cardinals and Yankees... It was sixty years ago on this date that the two teams met in the opener of the 1964 WORLD SERIES. Thirty years later David Halberstam's socio-historical account of the '64 event was published:
It's suggested reading. |
|
|
|
Post by Fading Fast on Oct 7, 2024 18:02:36 GMT
Fading Fast, of Cardinals and Yankees... It was sixty years ago on this date that the two teams met in the opener of the 1964 WORLD SERIES. Thirty years later David Halberstam's socio-historical account of the '64 event was published:
It's suggested reading. |
|
|
|
Post by NoShear on Oct 7, 2024 18:13:49 GMT
Fading Fast, of Cardinals and Yankees... It was sixty years ago on this date that the two teams met in the opener of the 1964 WORLD SERIES. Thirty years later David Halberstam's socio-historical account of the '64 event was published:
It's suggested reading. Wow, now I understand the 'Fast' part of your moniker!! Very happy to read of your interest in it, Fading Fast. |
|
|
|
Post by Fading Fast on Oct 7, 2024 18:31:10 GMT
Just added a "used like new" copy to my Amazon cart. Thank you. Wow, now I understand the 'Fast' part of your moniker!! Very happy to read of your interest in it, Fading Fast. |
|
