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Post by Hold the Mayo on Jan 13, 2023 5:46:27 GMT
My in-laws are Italian and I remember when I saw that episode, I said to my wife that the Kruschen character reminded me of them.
Sometimes there is a bit of truth behind some ethnic stereotypes. Kruschen was so over the top it was funny, though I suppose there were other actors in those roles who were just as exaggerated, especially back in the day.
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Post by sepiatone on Jan 13, 2023 15:33:17 GMT
Anthony Quinn had the same difficulty. Mayo mentioned Jack Kruschen(Russian Jew) playing an excitable Italian. And on the other hand, on other shows I've seen Italian actor Vito Scotti play Mexican bandits and native American warriors on other TV westerns. Just as the Mexican Quinn often played Italians, Greeks, Arabs and also Native American warriors in movies. No business like show business, eh? Sepiatone
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Post by dianedebuda on Jan 14, 2023 1:49:36 GMT
Sometimes there is a bit of truth behind some ethnic stereotypes.
Hubby & I took a crowded local bus from Rome to Villa d'Este (Tivoli fountains) decades ago. Two middle-aged Italian ladies were having a loud, heated disagreement from different areas of the bus complete with very active hands. Many other passengers added in their 2 cents (2 lira back then? ) After about 20 minutes, they suddenly all started laughing and were the best of buds. Stereotype, but a highlight of the vacation. 😆
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Post by Hold the Mayo on Jan 14, 2023 4:28:10 GMT
Sometimes there is a bit of truth behind some ethnic stereotypes.
Hubby & I took a crowded local bus from Rome to Villa d'Este (Tivoli fountains) decades ago. Two middle-aged Italian ladies were having a loud, heated disagreement from different areas of the bus complete with very active hands. Many other passengers added in their 2 cents (2 lira back then? ) After about 20 minutes, they suddenly all started laughing and were the best of buds. Stereotype, but a highlight of the vacation. 😆 That's a funny story. Some of the portrayals of Italians in the TV shows of the era are really over the top, though they might have a little seed in reality. I'm guessing in general they are more outwardly emotional than a nationality like the British, who also have stereotypes of a different kind.
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Post by jamesjazzguitar on Jan 14, 2023 17:16:32 GMT
Sometimes there is a bit of truth behind some ethnic stereotypes.
Hubby & I took a crowded local bus from Rome to Villa d'Este (Tivoli fountains) decades ago. Two middle-aged Italian ladies were having a loud, heated disagreement from different areas of the bus complete with very active hands. Many other passengers added in their 2 cents (2 lira back then? ) After about 20 minutes, they suddenly all started laughing and were the best of buds. Stereotype, but a highlight of the vacation. 😆My wife is Italian. When we were dating, she took me for Sunday dinner at her Godparents home. First time I was around 10 or more Italians (all that came from Italy but now living in CA). Well they start talking in Italian and it appears to be get heated with hands waving, loud voices, and of course everyone talking over each other. I ask a guy sitting near me, what is the topic that leads to such passion; He tells me melons. Yea, melons! They were debating melons! I become the focus of the table and her Godmother says "this is just how we are"; I said that is fine, but I would love to see what happens if the topic is religion or politics! I was welcomed into the clan from that moment on.
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Post by sepiatone on Jan 15, 2023 22:35:06 GMT
I'll buy the loud voices reference. When we moved a few blocks to a different neighborhood when I was 12 the people next door were Italian(and probably still are ) and the man and his wife would get into arguments sometime. Inside their house. But were loud enough they would make it hard for us to hear the TV and this was with the WINDOWS CLOSED! But it amused us more that annoyed us and they turned out to be such nice people we didn't mind at all. And I still miss Lisa's pizzelle cookies. Sepiatone
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Post by Swithin on Jan 16, 2023 2:02:47 GMT
For all your irascible, proud, immigrant, unspecified Eastern European country, unspecified accent, Jew or Gentile needs, contact Theodore Bikel and/or Nehemiah Persoff.
R&H wrote this song for Theodore Bikel, who played Captain von Trapp in the original Broadway production of The Sound of Music. Bikel was a singer/actor but had no songs in the show, so they wrote this specifically for him during the Boston tryout. He sang it in the show, and into his old age.
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Post by Hold the Mayo on Jan 16, 2023 6:11:21 GMT
I didn't know that, then again my knowledge of Broadway musicals is pretty limited. Bikel would sometimes play the guitar in his roles in TV westerns of the time.
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Post by sepiatone on Jan 16, 2023 17:01:17 GMT
I watched an old GUNSMOKE episode from 1955 with a barely recognizable STROTHER MARTIN in a small role. The earliest appearance of him I recall seeing was him in the line-up early on in THE ASPHALT JUNGLE('50).
But as to Bikel,
I didn't become really aware of him until I was 12 and he appeared on this show....
HOOTENANNY 1963
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Post by sepiatone on Jan 24, 2023 19:17:22 GMT
Not exactly a "Jackpot night" in the "true" sense of the thread's intent, but last night was somewhat close.
On the 8:00 showing of TALES OF WELLS FARGO a young and early STEVE McQUEEN appearance. Not sure if it was before or after his TV show "Wanted Dead Or Alive" as I don't know when that episode aired and when in that same year(1958) McQueen's show debuted.
The 8:30 episode had the venerable EDGAR BUCHANAN as a guest.
The 9:00 episode of GUNSMOKE on Inspiration was an episode that had HARRISON FORD in a small role Close to when he appeared shortly in AMERICAN GRAFFITI('73).
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