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Post by topbilled on Dec 13, 2022 2:43:49 GMT
I am watching THE SEVENTH VEIL (1945) on the Criterion Channel tonight. British actor Hugh McDermott is playing a brash American in this film, and I find his attempt at an American accent very unconvincing.
But I do think some British actors capture the American sound well...Charles Laughton is great as a southern politician in ADVISE & CONSENT (1962).
What are your thoughts...?
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Post by I Love Melvin on Dec 13, 2022 14:17:28 GMT
I guess we almost don't think of Angela Lansbury as a British actress anymore, but she did a similarly good job with a Southern accent in The Long Hot Summer. She played many American characters over the years and seems to have cultivated one of those "mid-Atlantic" accents as her workload in American films increased, to make it easier to take on those kind of roles. It's an easier switch from one to the other if you keep your baseline somewhere in between. Cary Grant is probably the most famous example, of course. When Angela needed to, as in Sweeney Todd, she could jump right back "across the pond" with her accent.
Speaking of Charles Laughton, I recently saw Elsa Lanchester in Pajama Party (1964) (Please don't ask me why.) and she seems to have gone the "dithery" route to mute the Britishness of her speaking voice. It was a pretty effective tactic because dithering probably sounds relatively the same on both continents.
My PBS has been running the old Poirots, which I love, and British actors often pop up as Americans, more often than not in a cringeworthy way, with everything just flattened out and no nuance, which I guess is how they think of us? It's probably easier for a Brit to get away with playing American in a British film or TV show than it would be to do the same in an American film, a whole different context.
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Post by Lucky Dan on Dec 13, 2022 18:45:52 GMT
I watched David Bowie as Andy Warhol in Basquiat a few nights ago and was very impressed. He really disappeared into his role except for one brief moment when he pronounced "art" as ott.
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Post by sepiatone on Dec 13, 2022 18:56:46 GMT
Although Australian, Errol Flynn sounds British enough naturally to most Americans, and not knowing him being Australian many would assume he was a British actor. And so we'd have to assume Gen. George Custer actually did speak like a Bengal Lancer. But I sincerely doubt that he did despite his Mother's British ancestry. But offhand I can't think of any other Brit actors that payed American characters.
And recall in the early days of the "talkies" how some studios hired voice coaches to get many of their actors and actresses to speak with a more "British" diction.
Sepiatone
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Post by topbilled on Dec 13, 2022 21:04:25 GMT
I guess we almost don't think of Angela Lansbury as a British actress anymore, but she did a similarly good job with a Southern accent in The Long Hot Summer. She played many American characters over the years and seems to have cultivated one of those "mid-Atlantic" accents as her workload in American films increased, to make it easier to take on those kind of roles. It's an easier switch from one to the other if you keep your baseline somewhere in between. Cary Grant is probably the most famous example, of course. When Angela needed to, as in Sweeney Todd, she could jump right back "across the pond" with her accent. Speaking of Charles Laughton, I recently saw Elsa Lanchester in Pajama Party (1964) (Please don't ask me why.) and she seems to have gone the "dithery" route to mute the Britishness of her speaking voice. It was a pretty effective tactic because dithering probably sounds relatively the same on both continents. My PBS has been running the old Poirots, which I love, and British actors often pop up as Americans, more often than not in a cringeworthy way, with everything just flattened out and no nuance, which I guess is how they think of us? It's probably easier for a Brit to get away with playing American in a British film or TV show than it would be to do the same in an American film, a whole different context. Yes...I wonder if their drama schools teach them that Americans sound 'flat.' It's definitely not how all of us speak.
Your comment about how Elsa Lanchester's style evolved is interesting.
Some actresses, like Ida Lupino, became more Americanized after they became U.S. citizens. So by the time we see her guest star on an episode of The Streets of San Francisco in the mid-1970s, she hardly seems British anymore.
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Post by ando on Dec 13, 2022 21:21:11 GMT
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Post by BunnyWhit on Dec 13, 2022 21:45:06 GMT
Some contemporaries who offer very good American accents:
Millie Bobby Brown
Idris Elba
Daniel Kaluuya
Hugh Laurie
Gary Oldman
Rosamund Pike
Margot Robbie -- to echo Sepiatone's Aussie entry
Tracey Ullman
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Post by ando on Dec 13, 2022 22:35:06 GMT
Although Australian, Errol Flynn sounds British enough naturally to most Americans, and not knowing him being Australian many would assume he was a British actor. And so we'd have to assume Gen. George Custer actually did speak like a Bengal Lancer. But I sincerely doubt that he did despite his Mother's British ancestry. But offhand I can't think of any other Brit actors that payed American characters. And recall in the early days of the "talkies" how some studios hired voice coaches to get many of their actors and actresses to speak with a more "British" diction. Sepiatone Another Aussie, Cate Blanchett, has really never been mistaken for British but has fared pretty well with British and American accents. Her small town America born, Curtis Institute educated, Lydia Tár, is a convincing example, to say the least.
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Post by ando on Dec 13, 2022 22:36:22 GMT
Genius.
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Post by galacticgirrrl on Dec 14, 2022 6:02:38 GMT
I guess Bob Hope doesn't count?
My aural abilities would say Barry Morse does a fairly good job as a 'suppressor'. When I hear him in something like Puzzle of a Downfall Child or The Changeling it isn't too distracting. Peter Sellers even sells it quite well in Strangelove or Being There but of course not as well as on early albums.
My ears aren't the best however. Minnie Driver had me fooled for quite a long time. She's so mauve.
Watching for 'suppressors' is always on my radar, whether it be tv or film. All nationalities are surveilled. No one is safe. I take great delight waiting for those little Bowie slip ups. J'accuse!
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Post by marysara1 on Dec 14, 2022 12:42:45 GMT
I was watching the Leslie Howard bio. He was British. I was watch Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. At one time they had 2 British women to the American's they had the same accent, but they claimed they had different dialect. Think of My Fair Lady different areas talk differently.
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Post by Swithin on Dec 14, 2022 13:33:28 GMT
I've worked with a lot of actors, and the subject of Brits playing Americans and Americans playing Brits comes up often. Part of the reason Brits are better than Americans at this, is that they've been watching American television shows since childhood. To give one example, when Teletubbies came to America, the voices were dubbed by Americans, so kids here didn't have the benefit of watching a British television show with the original voices.
Also, there tends to be much more technique training for actors in the UK. Many of our American actors get discovered because they're merely pretty!
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Post by sepiatone on Dec 14, 2022 17:14:28 GMT
kids here didn't have the benefit of watching a British television show with the original voices.
Unless their parents let them watch MONTY PYTHON'S FLYING CIRCUS or FAWLTY TOWERS. Or AS TIME GOES BY. Sepiatone
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Post by marysara1 on Dec 15, 2022 8:17:31 GMT
kids here didn't have the benefit of watching a British television show with the original voices.
Unless their parents let them watch MONTY PYTHON'S FLYING CIRCUS or FAWLTY TOWERS. Or AS TIME GOES BY. Sepiatone I think Peppa Pig has a British accent.
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Post by marysara1 on Dec 15, 2022 8:19:48 GMT
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