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Post by kims on Oct 26, 2024 21:31:03 GMT
I'm not disagreeing with anything you said. I want to clarify one of my questions which I asked incompletely. About female professional athletes. Generally when speaking of male athletes, their sexuality isn't mentioned. The sexuality of female athletes is mentioned more often. I was thinking if the sexuality of female athletes was no longer or less often mentioned then some progress is being made. The media avoids mentioning sexuality. I'm talking about friends and neighbors. My question should have been - when friends and neighbors talk about female athletes, does their sexuality still get mentioned?
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Post by jamesjazzguitar on Oct 27, 2024 0:01:03 GMT
I'm not disagreeing with anything you said. I want to clarify one of my questions which I asked incompletely. About female professional athletes. Generally when speaking of male athletes, their sexuality isn't mentioned. The sexuality of female athletes is mentioned more often. I was thinking if the sexuality of female athletes was no longer or less often mentioned then some progress is being made. The media avoids mentioning sexuality. I'm talking about friends and neighbors. My question should have been - when friends and neighbors talk about female athletes, does their sexuality still get mentioned? It all comes down to how one defines "progress". Does one not mention sexuality with the same sex because there is no longer any "oh my" aspect or because there still is? Generally, if something isn't mentioned it means there is a stigma to that something: I.e. shame associated with the behavior. As for the WNBA players, the sexuality is way out in the open because many of the players are married to woman (and if not married, dating another woman). There are even games where a married couple play against each other (wife playing against wife). Also, when during a game the camera shows a star player's partner, that partner is a woman. In other words, lesbian relationships are so common in the WNBA that one can't talk about the players off court life without such relationships being discussed. Thus, sexuality gets mentioned all the time (by the media, and by friends and neighbors). The good thing is that the media handling all comes off as very natural. No awkward moments because it is very natural and just everyday life between women athletes. With the male sports there is still a major stigma. If a player comes-out it is major news. Other male athletes will make negative comments. There is no male player in any of the 4 major US sport leagues that is married to another male (as far as been made public). Is that because there are few gay male athletes or because those that are having to remain in the closet?
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Post by jamesjazzguitar on Oct 27, 2024 0:09:13 GMT
I'm curious how others define bisexuality, especially those that believe in a predetermined sexual origination. E.g. if one believes in born-this-way, is one born as bisexual? Or is one born with a sexual origination of attraction to the opposite or same sex, and being bisexual is just the behavior of having sex that is contrary to one's born sexual origination?
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Post by kims on Oct 27, 2024 20:09:59 GMT
I think the diversity of opinion stems from what the individual thinks is a sexual act. In college there was a course on what was crudely called "deviant" behavior where I learned that men in prison having sex do not believe themselves homo- or bi- sexual. Interesting.
Since a child I laugh when athletes smack each others butts-it seems a come-on to me.
I'm not personally 100% behind the Born This Way idea - too many factors why we are attracted to someone.
I think each person gets to decide for himself/herself, etc.
The progress I look for is when knowing a person's sexuality isn't important. I stand by -unless I'm going to bed with someone, I'm not concerned about their sex life. That also does not mean I don't think the topic should never be discussed. The sexuality topic is part of our culture.
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Post by jamesjazzguitar on Oct 31, 2024 0:29:59 GMT
The progress I look for is when knowing a person's sexuality isn't important. The WBNA players, coaches and management, as well as the media that covers the WNBA, clearly has the POV that one's sexuality isn't important. (not important as it relates to how anyone is treated from a legal perspective). But like race, some people wish to make their race and sexuality important to the world, (from a non-legal perspective), and often feel that those that don't support that are against their group by default. (and sadly, some still need to lie about their sexuality because they don't wish for their family to know).
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Post by topbilled on Oct 31, 2024 2:52:01 GMT
I'm curious how others define bisexuality, especially those that believe in a predetermined sexual origination. E.g. if one believes in born-this-way, is one born as bisexual? Or is one born with a sexual origination of attraction to the opposite or same sex, and being bisexual is just the behavior of having sex that is contrary to one's born sexual origination? I haven't chimed in to answer your question, because I don't think there's a cut-and-dried answer.
Personally I have never liked the word 'bisexuality' because it seems like a made-up invented word. Even a person who identifies as bisexual is going to make a choice in the heat of the moment to do something specific with a man, or specific with a woman...so in that moment, when the decision is made, they are either committing a straight act or a gay act.
Also, I have never liked the phrase 'born this way'...and I don't like it when someone says 'it's not a choice for me to be this way.' That makes it sound like they are not in control of their lives or their preferences. I have more respect for someone who says 'I like this type of sexual activity (whatever it may be, providing it is legal) and I choose to do this of my own free will, because I enjoy the company of women, or because I enjoy the company of men.'
I joked to a friend of mine recently, I don't need a Christian's permission to sin, and I also don't need a sinner's permission to be a Christian. I will make my own choices, without someone else telling me how I should feel about it. If I am making the wrong choice, I will learn the futility of it. I don't need to learn the judgment or scorn of it.
Incidentally, if it sounds like I am being pro-choice here, I am actually pro-life. I think life is the best choice we can make, realizing the potential of it.
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Post by jamesjazzguitar on Oct 31, 2024 16:48:22 GMT
I'm curious how others define bisexuality, especially those that believe in a predetermined sexual origination. E.g. if one believes in born-this-way, is one born as bisexual? Or is one born with a sexual origination of attraction to the opposite or same sex, and being bisexual is just the behavior of having sex that is contrary to one's born sexual origination? I haven't chimed in to answer your question, because I don't think there's a cut-and-dried answer.
Personally I have never liked the word 'bisexuality' because it seems like a made-up invented word. Even a person who identifies as bisexual is going to make a choice in the heat of the moment to do something specific with a man, or specific with a woman...so in that moment, when the decision is made, they are either committing a straight act or a gay act.
Also, I have never liked the phrase 'born this way'...and I don't like it when someone says 'it's not a choice for me to be this way.' That makes it sound like they are not in control of their lives or their preferences. I have more respect for someone who says 'I like this type of sexual activity (whatever it may be, providing it is legal) and I choose to do this of my own free will, because I enjoy the company of women, or because I enjoy the company of men.'
I joked to a friend of mine recently, I don't need a Christian's permission to sin, and I also don't need a sinner's permission to be a Christian. I will make my own choices, without someone else telling me how I should feel about it. If I am making the wrong choice, I will learn the futility of it. I don't need to learn the judgment or scorn of it.
Incidentally, if it sounds like I am being pro-choice here, I am actually pro-life. I think life is the best choice we can make, realizing the potential of it.We have a very similar POV here. The only item I disagree with is the last sentence. IMO, being pro-choice is a legal opinion. Being pro-life is a moral one. My POV is that they are mutually exclusive. Thus, I'm pro-choice and pro-life.
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Post by topbilled on Nov 6, 2024 16:11:35 GMT
So for those who were wondering, the TV actress from the 1980s who never married, but had a married boyfriend...then became a fundamentalist Christian...was/is Stephanie Zimbalist. She still has never been married.
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